Dog attack / pepper spray -- need help

coop1957 · May 23, 2009

I cut grass for a living. About 40 yards a week. Last week I got bit by a dog. Never saw him coming. He bit me in the ass. Yes I carry a knife. Usually a Salt 1 or a Para. What is the skinny on sprays? I know nothing about them.
Need your help.

jill jackson · May 23, 2009

Get some hot pepper spray designed for bears. It will turn a dog into a slobbering whithering creature in a second. I used it for years when I rode bikes on the country roads and it never failed to turn the most aggressive dog.
http://www.udap.com/

MORIMOTOM · May 23, 2009

ive seen oc stop dogs in their tracks, and ive seen it have zero effect.

id surmise that dogs, like people, are immune roughly 10% of the time.

the strongest ive seen in ca is 15%, im issued 10%, and i have no idea what the concentration of the bear stuff is jj is referring to.

shooter10 · May 23, 2009

I have had great success with plain old under the kitchen sink sudsy ammonia. More than likely you have a small 3 or 4 ounce plastic bottle, (I use a small Vitalis bottle) rinse it out, by pulling the plastic plug in the top, and go outside to transfer the ammonia to the small bottle, replace the plug. Since the ammonia is so thin, you can get a decent range of maybe 10 or 12 feet, and one shot of this in the dags face, he won't like you, but won't be aggressive either. It does not permanently harm the dog either. This is small enough to carry in a shirt pocket, but be sure to keep the cap on the bottle until ready to use, as the fumes are not pleasant. Inexpensive, no laws or restrictions against it's use, and effective.

folderfan2093 · May 23, 2009

MORIMOTOM said:
ive seen oc stop dogs in their tracks, and ive seen it have zero effect.

id surmise that dogs, like people, are immune roughly 10% of the time.

the strongest ive seen in ca is 15%, im issued 10%, and i have no idea what the concentration of the bear stuff is jj is referring to.

i actually think they make sprays for dogs and other animals that would have better results than people pepper sprays. dogs seem to have a higher tolerance for pain than people

jill jackson · May 23, 2009

Dogs can't take pepper spray, because their sense of smell is so much greater than a humans. It seems to have an instant effect on them. I've used weak and stronger and both will make an aggressive dog go away fast.

6speed · May 23, 2009

I used to do estimating for windows and siding and had two rot's knock down a cedar fence to try and get to me. Granted the fence was old and leaning but it was a good thing that they were chained besides.

I bought pepper spray that day on the advice of a mail carrier.

jill jackson · May 23, 2009

Mace isn't very effective on dogs, I tried that and had a big German Shepherd never take a full can to the face and he was barely held back. A shot of pepper spray would have turned him right away.

b.c.molin · May 23, 2009

Pity owners don't keep the dogs under control as they should.:grumpy:

After a recent accident where I put just one drop of a mixture of Windex and Methylated spirits into my left eye, the sudsy ammonia idea suggested by shooter10 should work well from my own experience.

MORIMOTOM · May 23, 2009

jill jackson said:
Mace isn't very effective on dogs, I tried that and had a big German Shepherd never take a full can to the face and he was barely held back. A shot of pepper spray would have turned him right away.

mace is a name brand of pepper spray.

i think it used to have cs as the active ingredient, but now it is oc.

Masteroffajitas · May 23, 2009

Jill, do you have to use your spray against dogs alot?

Samael · May 23, 2009

MORIMOTOM said:
mace is a name brand of pepper spray.

i think it used to have cs as the active ingredient, but now it is oc.

The last time I checked, you could still buy Mace with CS (only), CS and pepper spray, and just pepper spray. Most departments haven't used Mace with CS for years, though, and it's illegal for civilian use in a lot of places.

jill jackson · May 24, 2009

Masteroffajitas said:
Jill, do you have to use your spray against dogs alot?

I use to when I rode a road bike a lot. Dogs like to chase and attack moving objects. I'm just doing long distance hiking now and I have my own dogs with me, so any dogs we run into I scare away with pistol fire.

jill jackson · May 24, 2009

MORIMOTOM said:
mace is a name brand of pepper spray.

i think it used to have cs as the active ingredient, but now it is oc.

Maybe I am mistaken on the name then, but what I used and had nearly fail wasn't pepper spray. It was more like tear gas. It's been awhile ago so I've forgotten the exact name.

Edgyone · May 24, 2009

coop1957 said:
Never saw him coming. He bit me in the ass.

How are you going to use the spray in those circumstances - are you going to spray your butt??

Maybe just eat lots of chilles and baked beans!

Sorry, couldn't resist, hope you are ok.

coop1957 · May 24, 2009

Thanks for all your help. I will be at Gander Mountain today and will look at their products. Its gotta be relatively small container to fit in front r pocket or on belt.
I've had dogs all my life but after gettin 8 stitches in my butt I look at all dogs in a completely different way.

Edgyone · May 24, 2009

8 stitches!! Now I feel guilty

. What kind of mongrel mutt was it??

Without joking, perhaps something like dragon jeans - motorcycle jeans that have a kevlar reinforced weave - they are more for abrasion resistance than penetrating injuries but they may help.

Hope you have a safe return to work. :thumbup:

Lazydog1 · May 24, 2009

Posted by jill_jackson
"I'm just doing long distance hiking now and I have my own dogs with me, so any dogs we run into I scare away with pistol fire."

OK, now that I've cleaned the tea off my keyboard, may I ask: Jill, you are joking, right?

Even back in South Africa I would not be scaring off dogs with pistol fire. There was one occasion when I was out on a day hike that someone's Bull Terrier attacked a cow and hung onto the cow's neck for a while. The locals could see that I had my hand on a pistol (CZ75 9mmP) in my bag, but I didn't draw it for fear of hitting bystanders or the cow as it was circling around in a panic trying to shake-off the dog. Also, the cow was obviously in no pain, just irritated by the dog hanging onto it's neck skin. And I didn't want to make the whole situation "my problem". When some of the locals arrived with garden forks and an iron bar clearly intent on 'removing' the dog the owner stepped in and removed the dog. The two of them were sent off with some choice language ringing in their ears. My dogs were not attacked, they just sat there confusedly watching the proceedings.

Should they have been attacked and were losing the fight I would certainly have used "pistol fire" if it were safe and appropriate to do so.

jill jackson · May 24, 2009

Dogs cause A lot of trouble between people that would get along otherwise.
My neighbor is very mad at me because something killed his dog and he just knows it was my dog. Even though she's never been off a lead. He even told the Sheriff it was my dog and I took her up to show him she hasn't a mark on her. He said we know your dog never killed his don't worry about it anymore.
I don't know if a coyote would kill a dog up next to a house at night, but I've found a beagle they killed last winter and something was stalking around the house at night for about a month last winter driving my dog crazy with rage. (she's tied on a slide run)

jill jackson · May 24, 2009

Lazydog1 said:
OK, now that I've cleaned the tea off my keyboard, may I ask: Jill, you are joking, right?

No I'm not joking, most dogs I run into hiking aren't fighting breeds and they will run if I shoot a gun. It beats breaking up a dog fight between my dogs and them.
Fighting breeds of dogs like Pit Bulls and Bull Terriers and even overly aggressive dogs, don't tend to last long where I live if the owners don't make an effort to keep them contained. Dogs that roam onto others property are often shot at to scare them away. Dogs that are causing damage to livestock are just shot and killed. Many dogs that roam here know very well what a gun is and they fear it.
For example I'm hiking on my families property and I see two large dogs on the ridge over notice my dogs and me. They start for us and I pull out my handgun and fire a round into the ground and they stop and run off the other way, problem solved no need to let them get close and have a dog fight with my dogs before I decide action is needed.