Dominator review

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Just got my Dominator.

NB: I had Darrel install bronze washers and a deep-concealment fold-over clip on it -- I just happen to prefer those over the stock parts.

It totally rocks.

I'd say this is a good competitor to the Sebenza, in functionality, action smoothness, blade profile and sharpness.

It is only very slightly less "finished" than the Seb -- the finish is rougher on the handles, but they seem to show less wear and provide better grip. The stonewashed blade is beautiful. I LOVE stonewashed blades. They don't show wear, scratches, and fingerprints like a satin finish, nor do they scuff as easily as a bead blast. The perfect blade finish.

However, the Dom more than outweighs the Seb in functionality. The flipper, the traction grooves, the ergonomics all trump the Sebenza in my opinion.

And at 1/2 the cost, even more impressive.

I think of this knife as a hybrid of the Ralph/Wilson Combat Elite, a Sebenza, and Darrel's own special tactical sauce. It has personality, ergonomics, and performance in droves.

The handle is extremely comfortable in hand (although I have small-to-medium hands), and the low-resolution traction grooves work well.

The blade profile is stabby the way I like it, with a nice high grind and a VERY sharp edge. Impressive, from the factory. The only other blade I've had from the factory this sharp was a 806D2.

The lock is extremely stable, and no blade play can be observed with either the lock engaged or disengaged (thumbed open). The deep-concealment clip (and it seems, the regular circular clip) both act as a lock-stop to prevent lock overtravel if unlocked under stress.

The edge chamfers are generous and comfortable. The design is very stiff; no warping or bending is felt or visible with white-knuckling.

In fact, I find the flipper opening to be MUCH easier on my fingers than the Sebenza's thumb lugs, which gave me blisters with their "grippy" sharp ridges. In addition, the retaining power of the detent ball is comforting.

There seem to be three stop pins -- two that appear to be thumb studs, and one that hides in the "horn" of the blade. Comfortingly, the two lateral stop pins ("thumb studs") both engage the Ti slabs completely and thoroughly, an oversight I have seen in many other similarly constructed framelocks.

Strangely, there seem to be two detent balls, and additional "detent" stops along the way, which I do not know the function of.

The only things I might consider addressing:

- Synthetic inlays (personal pet peeve -- I don't like the feel of steel in-hand)
- Longer/taller thumb ramp
- Longer/deeper flipper for more substantial front guard
- Tip-up mounting so the clip doesn't interfere in kitchen-knife grip (but with the Robo, not likely)
- Tip-up mounting so the grip can assist with keeping the framelock engaged (right now, a tight grip just bears down on the clip, rather than the lockbar.)
- Unassisted, manual version!! :)

Minor gripes -- this baby is going directly into EDC service!

Thanks, Will, Darrell, and all the folks at Camillus.

-Jon
 
Biogon nice review, cant decide between this and the Aftermath.
 
The bronze washers should be factory...My Dominator is on its way back to camillus due to lateral blade play and an off center blade. I think it's due to the soft nylon washers used in the pivot...I requested some bronze washers, if possible, to replace the nylon ones...Hopefully they'll be available...

--dan
 
dano,

It may not be the nylatron/nylon/teflon washers. I've had a number of knives loaded with teflon washers that did not have any play at all.

Something I noticed while disassembling mine.

The screw for the pivot pin does not screw in enough to clamp down on the blade thickness fully to reduce play.

Even tightened as far as it goes, there is some blade play, even with the bronze washers. Note, this only occurs when the lock bar is actively disengaged -- with the lockbar in place against the blade, there is no play at all.

DDR suggested that the bolt side of the pivot screw may be too long. I will take off 1/32nd or so later and see if that helps with the play.

-j
 
That is very cool to here about the clip! That is the only thing overall that has turned me off about the knife.

I wonder if Camillus will offer this as an option? Did Darrel have to
modify the knife in any way, or did he just replace the clip?

Thanks for the review.

Joe
 
If anyone figures out exactly which size of bronze washers to use in the Dominator, would you please post it for the rest of us?

--Bob Q
 
Nice Review, Mr. Biogon...sounds like a keeper.

Could you elaborate on the 3rd stop pin in the horn of the blade?

yours in envy...Geoff
 
Thank you, Mr. in Philly (?! :D ;)) The 3rd stop pin... I'm not sure...

On disassembly it looks like it's the -closed- stop pin (the pin that the tang pushes against in conjunction with the detent ball when the blade closed), as the open stop pins are the 'thumb studs' (albeit, those 'thumb stud' pins also do press against the frame in the closed position...)

I don't think the pin operates in the open position, but it definitely has contact with the blade tang. The "horn" portion looks like it just keeps contour continuity between the handle and the blade.

The 3rd stop pin is also very asymmetrical - ovaloid, in fact. Not sure why.

It could just be additional reinforcement, given the power of the Robo?

Hope this helps.

-j
 
Additional note: there is definitely something weird about this pivot pin.

It will not lock down in the sleeve to tighten up the action. Even tightening it until it completely locks, there's still a fraction of space between the washer and the frame, causing a tiny bit (0.5mm) of side-to-side play.

I tried taking off about 1/16" of the bolt end (if the bolt is too long) but it doesn't seem to tighten down any more, which makes me suspect that's not the issue.

Odd...

-j
 
Originally posted by bquinlan
If anyone figures out exactly which size of bronze washers to use in the Dominator, would you please post it for the rest of us?

--Bob Q

Yesterday I ordered the clip and bronze washers in every size that they had. I haven't yet received an order confirmation or any shipping info, so hopefully it went through. My card is reflecting the authorization for the amount so I assume it was received.

I'll post back when I get them installed.


eb
 
Originally posted by bewshy
I'll post back when I get them installed.

Thanks! Knowing which size to get will certainly make things easier. I am very broke right now. :rolleyes:

--Bob Q
 
Would thicker washers help the gap between the washers and handles? For those thinking or ordering bronze washers for it, this would be a no-brainer upgrade.

It could be the pivot bolt is too long, or like a Buck/Strider I had, the backspacer may be too wide.
 
The weirdest thing is that there are no responses form the camillus forum moderators...on some other forums just one person says something bad about the knife and the response comes right away -something like "send us the knife,we will repalce it and think how we can solve this problem in the other knives" ...and here-nothing will must be sleeping in front of his pc:D
 
cargun,

never thought of that.

the Dom uses spacer posts instead of a backspacer, but it's possible that one of the rear posts is a hair too long.

i've already filed down the pivot bolt and one of the spacers; there's only 2 posts left to try :)

max,
i think will is away from his computer from 9/5 to 9/15, which would explain the lack of communication. i'm not complaining about my dom. in fact, it's superb and i really don't particularly want to be parted from her for very long. i'm just looking to make it even better and try to get some ideas on the tweaking.

-j
 
Originally posted by Max-Damage
The weirdest thing is that there are no responses form the camillus forum moderators...on some other forums just one person says something bad about the knife and the response comes right away -something like "send us the knife,we will repalce it and think how we can solve this problem in the other knives" ...and here-nothing will must be sleeping in front of his pc:D

Yeah I noticed that CRK is like that. Theres a thread about "bad" screws and they seemed pretty on the ball.



eb
 
Originally posted by Max-Damage
The weirdest thing is that there are no responses form the camillus forum moderators...

Will posted that he is away from 9/5 until 9/15. We just caught him on the road with this one.

--Bob Q
 
ah ha!

indeed, it is a slightly oversize 3rd stop pin spacer. it's too wide in the obverse/reverse direction -- i.e. the "hot dog" is too long.

it's the one near the pivot pin, the assymetrical one. it's the spacer, btw, NOT the receiving pin.

i took it to some wetstones, took off no more than 1/32nd -- almost like what looks like casting gunk -- from both ends (also polished them), and the play is entirely gone.

the blade also locks down solidly -- too tightly when all the way, which is a good sign.

Will,

Dunno if this is a recurring problem, or just with mine, but I thought you'd like to know.

Also, if you could email me when you get back to work, I'd appreciate it. I need some new screws and posts. Mine are all chewed up. ;)

Thanks!!!

-jon

-jon
 
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