Don't Do Business with hh006 regarding the Balisong Butterfly knife

He offered to sell the knife for $100.00 on both Blade Forums and Knife Forums.

I am not against some getting as much for their knife as possible, but when you make an
original offer, you should stick to the offer, even if it cost you something, for if a man has no honor, then what does he have, NOTHING.

I made an offer for the knife, and this is the e-mail that I recieved back regarding the knife

Hao Han wrote:

I have received many e-mails about this particular knife. I know originally
post it on the web for $100 but due to the outstanding numbers of responses. I will sell it to the highest bidder.

You stated that you wanted $100.00 for the knife and that I what I offerd,
now you want to sell it to the highest bidder, what a piece of crap.

You obviously have no honor for you won't
keep to your original offer and I intend to let everyone know that you are not to be trusted.

If you won't keep to your original offer, how do we know that if we send you the money for the knife, that you will even send the knife to the buyer and not keep the knife and the money.

You are a person not to be trusted and and I hope that once this is known to everyone that they will not to do business
with you ever again.

Once the word gets around, no one will !!!!

ChuckG

May 15,2000

After posting the above message, I got an E-mail from Hao Han (hh006) in which he agreed to sell me the knife for the original asking price.

After several delays, none of which were his fault, (blame the Postal Service) I was able to get him his money, I sent it Express Mail and included return postage and insurance to cover the cost of "Priority Mail."

The I received the knife today by Express Mail (He paid the extra cost.)
and the knife was exactly as his pictures and description by e-mail clamed the knife to be.

I feel that he was operating under a misunderstanding of the general practices that we govern ourseleves by when buying selling and trading knives.

I can now say the he was very understanding when the first check that I sent him never arrived and was willing to wait until the matter could be resolved properly.

I can heartly recommend to others to do business with him and I retract my statement saying theat he had no honor.

I have been burned in the past on deals and will probably be so burned in the future, but we must police ourselves.

As it stands now, I would glady do business in the future with Hao Han (hh006) at any time and would recommend him to others.

Sincerely
ChuckG


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hh006, seems ya need a lesson in dealing on the forums here. I remember, I listed a knife for about 50...if I remember correctly. I got an email offer for 45. I said, ok. Later that day, I got another offer for the full 50. I turned that down, as I had already agreed to sell it to the first guy for 45. Thats just how the game works. It seems lately, that this forum has had a few cheats and liars pop up. You dishonest folks are gonna ruin it for the rest of us that like to sell, buy and trade for fun. Sometimes I wonder how your kind can sleep at night, but then I realize that since you have no morals, nothing bothers you.

Richard
 
Richard, same thing happened to me a few times too. Once a deal is set, no matter if there are more tempting and higher offers, once I've closed the deal, that's it. I won't even feel bad about it.
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Chuck, I'm looking at my crystal ball, and all I can see is this guy's forehead with one word written over it... "GREEDY".
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Of course, not to mention that he has no honor as well. Highest bidder my foot. If he wanted to sell it to the highest bidder, he should just put it up at an auction!

Dan
 
I agree guys! I did the same thing, took an offer, next email was for the full asking price... que sera sera! Also if I screw up and post $50 for a knife that is the price. I will not email the buyer and say oops, I meant $60...
 
What it's all about is integrity. Thankfully, most people on BF know what that means. Unfortunately, it appears that some do not.

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Selling to the highest bidder is something for ebay. Here on the forums we ask a price, and we sell it for that...I suppose this person thinks that a few extra dollars is worth having his rep. tarnished. It never pays to try and cheat someone.

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We do have some members that are doozies. Several months ago, I made an offer on a knife, got an email that said that I and another guy tied on the time of our emails on the buy, and that whichever one of us wanted to pay $5 more would get the knife. BS. This guy still posts on the forum, but I would never think about buying one of his knives. I did not think that was worthy of the GB&U, but he remains on my list. I'm sure everyone has their special list.

 
This type of dealing is unacceptable and has no place here. Accept a lower price if you wish, but never demand anything more than the original asking price. If you don't know how much the item is worth, set the price as close as you can guess and accept offers. If you are just out to get as much as possible, you are in the wrong place. This is not intended to be a place to make money. It is a place to buy and sell as one friend to another.




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Hmmm... seems like hhh006 is actively selling some more stuffs.
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I wonder if he's "willing to sell" these and not auction it off this time..
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I had the same thing happen. I offered some mountain bike parts on another forum for sale, and struck a deal with a fella who wanted them. Later that day, I received an e-mail from another person stating that they would pay my original asking price, more than the offer I previously accepted. I shrugged it off. Oh well, bad timing, that's all.

Put it this way, in this day of the speed of electrons, such a situation would be akin to selling something to your neighbor for $50, and the next day finding out your other neighbor would have given you $75. Do you go to the first neighbor and ask for your item back to sell it to someone else? How crude is that, anyways?

Another time, I struck a deal with a guy up in BC for some parts, but I didn't take into account the exchange. Do I call e-mail him back and renege on our deal because now he was getting a much better deal than originally? Hell no. My fault, my problem, besides, taking the exchange into account, that was probably still a fair price in BC. In fact, he was so pleased with the deal, he tossed in some other bits and pieces since he felt he was taking advantage of my good nature. What a gentleman, he could have gloated that he took some idiot for a ride. It all worked out great in the end. He sweetened his part of the deal with a couple of extra items because of the "generous" offer, and I still ended up paying what I thought was a fair price for what I wanted in the first place.

It does all come down to integrity. With so many members of BF, I think it's a credit to the online community of knifeknuts that such instances seem rather rare.



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Many times when I get a first or second offer on a knife that is below my asking price I will email the person and tell them I want to wait X number of hours to see if I get a better offer. I tell them I won't hold them to the original offer they've made, but if they would like I will contact them back after X amount of hours if no buyer (or even if I get a buyer, just as a courtesy). But this is only when someone is offering me 75% of my asking price for a knife I know I should get full asking price. That way I'm honest, and they are well informed.

But I'd never up an asking price, that is not right. That offer can be construed as a contract, can it not?

The other pet peeve of mine is when someone makes an offer for less than my asking price, and I accept (via email of course). Then once I've agreed to less than my asking price they back out saying they've already bought another knife. That is just bad practice, bad form.

I agree, Que sera sera, we all know who the good ones are, and that's all that matters!

Brandon
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