Don't mess with Gurkhas

isee about a 6 cm. (2.5 in.)difference from the period 500-1500, with dips in the plague and war centuries that were probably nutritional. again, the common man represented most of that difference, the nobility was taller 'cus they ate better.

noble residences had huge doors, if we went by them, the nobles must have been ten footers :)
the pope obviously was biggest of all, a good 12 feet i'd say!

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Castle doors. I always have to bend there. Presentative palace front doors never. Lol.

Of course you shouldn't look at the gate where horses had to fit through. Or some fancy doors which were supposed to look nice. Just take the normal doors (even in more noble buildings) if they are smaller than us but still humans had to fit through you could assume they were smaller.
Also are you saying nobility in the middle ages had better food and doctors than our grandparents just a few decades ago?
I give you that nobles were probably bigger than the average farmer but that could still have been much smaller than us today.
 
Castle doors. I always have to bend there. Presentative palace front doors never. Lol.
...Also are you saying nobility in the middle ages had better food and doctors than our grandparents just a few decades ago? ...

ah, but the smaller internal door were for servants and other lesser types. smaller doors were easier to defend and stronger. every facet of a real defensive festung type castle were designed for defence, even the spiral staircases in the towers were twisted so to permit retreating defenders to swing their swords and hinder a climbing enemy from doing the same. even the hand rails were usually ropes that could be cut from above to help delay their advance.

the 17th and 18thc even by the chart above saw a huge dip before recovering in the 19th. grandpa was 6ft.2in. dad was 6ft. i was 5'9'' - ithink i've shrink an inch tho. the old spine ain't what it used to be. i gather that was also a factor. age and hard work makes old skeletons look smaller than when they were in their prime. i feel my discs compressing as i type!

p.s. - syco, it shows the lethality of your average army SAW tripod - with a few guts behind it.
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...but where do you sharpen it?
 
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We sure have to be sure what is being measured. If you are correct about what "Height" means in site I linked, then the illustrated suit was made for some one 6' 8" or taller. Henry VIII of England was regarded as extremely tall at 6'.

Koepke and Baten's 2005 study concluded than the mean height of European males in the Middle Ages varied from apx. 66.5" [5' 6.5"] to 67 1/3" [5' 7.33"], with the high in the 12th century and the low in the 13th century. My Mom was 5'7".

Not sure why we care about possible height dips in the 17th and 18th centuries. That's kinda post-suits of armor, no?
 
ah, but the smaller internal door were for servants and other lesser types. the 17th and 18thc even by the chart above saw a huge dip before recovering in the 19th. grandpa was 6ft.2in. dad was 6ft. i was 5'9'' - ithink i've shrink an inch tho. the old spine ain't what it used to be. i gather that was also a factor. age and hard work makes old skeletons look smaller than when they were in their prime. i feel my discs compressing as i type!

p.s. - syco, it shows the lethality of your average army SAW tripod - with a few guts behind it.
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...but where do you sharpen it?
The "recovery" was twice as big as the dip...
People then were smaller even before the dip.
Ok ignore palaces. They didnt house you usual armor wearing fighter anyways and wasn't build with practical reasons only.

Why are all castle doors smaller than us, not just interior? If it's the only door to the master bedroom I doubt it was for servants only unless the knight was always drunken and had to be dragged to the bed :p

I gave a few reasons but you missed them even if they would have supported your point of view.
Lower doors are easier to defend if the attacker has to bend. But of course that goes both ways ;)
Smaller doors also make for more stable walls and a new one,
smaller doors keep the heat near the ceiling from escaping the room.
Then there were small armors which could have been for kids or are stretched and displayed the wrong way.

Thus without the chart it is plausible that they could have been taller but still have preferred small doors and their armor as we see it displayed today isn't accurate.

All these little indicators for smaller knights could be argued away but there is still the chart that shows that people back then were smaller. Less nutrition, less medical knowledge and probably other things.
Did these factors only impact the poor or also the less poor and the very rich? Did mercenaries or a knight and his soldiers eat as good as we do today, did they have antibiotics?
Nope.
So it's very likely they were sicker and smaller than us today.
Maybe not as sick and small as their servants but still less than us.
The only point which seems could be argued over is HOW much smaller and sicker weapon and armor bearing medieval men were compared to today.
 
ah, the joys of agreeing to disagree. i must fix my tardis so i can go back and measure some real people. ;)
i thinks we're exhausting the subject. i play my 'nobody knows' card.
 
ah, the joys of agreeing to disagree. i must fix my tardis so i can go back and measure some real people. ;)
i thinks we're exhausting the subject. i play my 'nobody knows' card.
I'm not a girl but do you have some space in that tardis?

Another observation. Modern Indians also have to bend to make it through old Indian castle doors.
 
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Not sure why we care about possible height dips in the 17th and 18th centuries. That's kinda post-suits of armor, no?

see Polish Hussars, heck, not only armouredin the 16-18c, they carried horsebows and arrows up till the late 18th c.

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i am likely speaking english rather than turkish because these same winged hussars ended the siege of vienna in 1683 just as the turks were about to win by coming out of nowhere and massacring the opposing turks whose previously unstoppable horde was taking huge chunks of europe. the rescue of vienna was one of their hilites, but they were winning wars up to the end ofm the 1700'sm - in armour.

(i mentioned elsewhere my maternal granny & her family were (and are) from the vienna area)

[video=youtube;ChdGe2YxVmA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChdGe2YxVmA[/video]
 
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A zombie story from Yangdu (involving low doorways):

My dad heard this story from another Buddhist monk from Tibet and this is his story as he told it to me.
A long time ago, when people died in a village or elsewhere, they would come back from the dead and become
a zombie in the Sherpa and Tibetan understanding. They would be called Roplang Gakshi Garnu.
The zombie, Roplang, can’t bend down and has to walk straight up. To protect themselves from the zombies, the
people of the villages built their houses with small portholes for windows and doors built low to keep the zombies
out.
I remember those portholes when I was growing up on our ranch. Today’s windows and doors are much different now.
When people died, a lama would put ropes around the dead person to prevent them from coming back and becoming
zombies. My father witnessed this process when he was a 7-year-old boy. My father told me that the belief was that
once people have been touched or bitten by a zombie, they would become an instant zombie.
Many years ago there was a large monastery, Gomba, in Tibet where 1000 lamas were in Gompa Pray retreat and
practicing Buddhist dharma. Among those lamas was one high lama considered the Leader Lama for the thousands
of other lamas in Gomba. One day the High Lama passed away from old age and the rest of the lamas had to keep
his deceased body for three days while they prayed all day and night without falling asleep.
The lamas kept praying both nights and, on the third night, they were all very tired from staying awake for two nights
and they fell asleep. While they were asleep, the dead High Lama became a Roplang zombie and touched the head
of each of the sleeping lamas with his bible domang pastu. They all became zombie Roplangs. There was a loud noise inside of
Gompa that attracted the guard outside and he came inside.
When the guard saw that all of the lamas had become Roplang zombies, he got frightened and closed the door to
protect himself. He went to see another powerful, High Lama, Jektan Mela Rewa, who rushed to the Gompa, carrying
his Agni Jowla Sword. He had all the dead lamas promise that they would not come back from death and become Roplang
again. After they all promised, he finished them off with his Agni Jowla Sword.
The Jowla sword was very powerful and he shot a fire flame that flowed out of the end of his sword and took care of all the
zombies. After Lama took care of Zombies then he burn down the Gomba. The Lama built a Kalo Dark Chorthan for all the deceased lamas and made them promise that they would not
become a problem again.

This sword is made in our HI shop by Rakjumar the (Prince ) Kami. Even though we do not have a zombie problem in today’s world,
it would be nice to have such a sword and this story in your collection. My father told me that this was a true happening in Tibet.

The picture of lama sword and zombie Lama below is from my father. The fire flame comes from tip of sword and shoots to
the zombie Lamas, killing them. Believe or not!

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Our ranch home

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AGNI JOWLA SWORD BY RAJKUMAR

Overall lenght --23 1/4''
Weight -- 32 oz
Wayvery double edge...
 
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