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"For a new system, I agree with Ank that you're much better off not buying from a Computer Shop like Circuit City, butdirect from a manufacturer or perhaps even better from one of the places that makes custom systems (small places rather than big companies like Dell). For the latter you're probably better off getting a system put together by someone nearby or at least in Nevada, and maybe someone nearby you can advise?"

I'm with Beo and others here. If you can find a good local shop, they should be able to put together a system that utilizes standard components and configuration, that's easier to keep going or replace/upgrade parts. And they will be able to fix the thing locally if disaster strikes again. The hard part will be finding the right shop. But one that's been able to keep going the last few years is probably doing something right. I think a lot of the big manufacturers are squeezing costs by taking short cuts or limiting options by utilizing some non-standard parts (which could be hard to find if later replacement is needed). And spending too much time on coming up with new cases that look like they came from the Jetsons instead of insuring that the guts are reliable.


"I don't know if Compaq has changed, but they used to be somewhat proprietary, with onboard video and no way to change out the motherboard unless you got a new case. HP was bad too. Del was fine if you got a standard size case. "

A few years ago, both Compaq and HP had proprietary stuff, and HP had some extra annoying software laid over the top. Drove the IT guys where I worked crazy. Now that HP and Compaq have been slammed to ground business-wise, and merged who knows what things are like? Especially since the business plan seems to be to make money from selling printer consumables (HP spun off the lab/testing instruments division--which used to be top notch). I can't say more because I've no recent experience. But I'd think twice before buying either. The new management seems to be focused recently entirely on managing the stock, and not the company or its products. Bad for customers, IMO.

You've probably got too much Windows stuff to switch to a Mac or use Linux, but I suspect life would be a lot easier once the transition was made.

That a spill on the keyboard trashes the whole kit pretty much boggles my mind, but I suppose that anything is possible when there's a poltergeist living in the digital camera. Are they known to reproduce? :)

Good luck.
 
You've probably got too much Windows stuff to switch to a Mac or use Linux, but I suspect life would be a lot easier once the transition was made.

I am not sure about that one anymore. Windows 2000 is rock-solid in my experience. Just make sure that Norton is running to keep the internet hobgoblins away. Even professional graphics firms are migrating to PC's now.

My understanding of current versions of Linux is that they still require a fair understanding of OS architecture to get them up and running. At work, I used and maintained a Silicon Graphics IRIX network up until last year, and I can also tell you that the main reason our engineers weren't using the software that would benefit them was that the OS was unfamiliar.
 
Uncle Bill, I am in total agreement with Ankerson. If one can put those stupid comercials aside, you'll find it a very reliable and cost efficeint PC. I worked with literally hundreds of Dells (GX1a, Optiplex 110, GX 150, GX 240) as a lab assistant at CCSN in LasVegas. These things took/take unbelievable punishment from 'could-care-less-students' everyday and keep on running. Also, Dell made their name on service after the sale. Which to many folks is as important as getting a good price. Because Dells are often compact in design they actually engineer special air channels to help keep them cool -but it works well. Best to get an vertical design case rather than a horizontal one that sits under your monitor -for the same reason of better cooling. The Compaq PCs have earned a dubious reputation and I stay clear of them.
 
Uncle -

The company I work for sells Dell PCs with its system. They are pretty good little systems and quite simple to take apart. I would vote Dell support higher than any of the other major manufacturers out there.

Whatever you do, don't get a compaq workstation. They are proprietary from hell...compaq servers are good, but not their workstations, its asking for trouble.

Also stay away from Gateway, they have the worst support on the planet in my experiece.

I've been a hardware tech (officially) for about 6 years so I don't believe I'm giving you any unsupported advice here.
 
Uncle Bill, while I dont know as much as the rest of the guys here, a friend of mine recently bought direct from Emachines. The prices are pretty cheap, and according to him the service was good. Here's the link emachines Ive been considering going with one of thier units myself.

I would personally not rule out big stores per-se. Ive had luck when Best Buy or Comp USA have clearance sales. Though mostly that has been a store to store thing. But occaisionally when they do have sales, they can be pretty good.
 
I've been really happy with my Hp, but not the Microsoft. I don't know enough about it to really be a judge though.
I just don't like the ambiguous updates that Microsoft has. Had to call the "Geeks 'R' Us" out once because of that.:(

If I had it to do over again I would go with the Dell, but then I kinda liked the little dorky dude.:p
Didn't surprise me one bit he got busted for pot, but so what?
I would rather have one good joint rolled out of really good Skunk or Piney Woods Weed than I had a full case of Heinekins.:p :rolleyes: :p :D
Different strokes for different folks. Too bad the pot isn't legal because that means I wouldn't get my choice.:grumpy:
 
I've been around drunk people and stoned people....drunks are far worse.

LOL beer must be a gateway drug because it leads to whiskey, right? :rolleyes:

Canada and Amsterdam have the right idea. Who cares.
 
"I would rather have one good joint rolled out of really good Skunk or Piney Woods Weed than I had a full case of Heinekins."
Yvsa

"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"
Federal Bureau of Narcotics Chief Harry J. Anslinger, 1948
 
'ere!;)
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Keith
 
:eek:

If anyone wants to start an OT druggie thread and swap stories, I've got a bunch of 'em. None of 'em good. :(
 
Guess this thread is as good as any, semp. Swapping stories is what the forum is all about! If ya need some prodding, this is it.

Munk had some very interesting and frightful stories to share a while back. He's been thru a lot. He shared much that had remained hidden within himself, and I sensed him allowing himself some release by sharing. Thanks, munk.

Thanks to all those who've been around enuf (long enuf?) to share your experiences in the form of stories, anecdotes, etc. Stories are the meat on the bones of this forum.

Keith1
 
I'll add another vote for Dell, the commercials are annoying, but the support is pretty good.

My personal opinion re proprietariness is that for your average person, it's not going to make a difference. Those of you here who aren't techies, how many times have you even opened up the case on your computer? Heck, I'm a techie, and I still haven't opened up this computer to do anything to it, and I've had it for over a year now.

Here's my opinion of the "majors"

Gateway = good sales personel at the Country Stores (I'm assuming there's one in your area) as well as a service dept there that can take care of just about anything you'd have go wrong. Phone support, on the other hand, absolutely sucks. Also, this is experience, I used to work at a Country store for them. (my laptop and my wife's computer are Gateways)

Dell = Good company, good phone support, very wide coverage on-site support, generally through BancTec. My main gripe with Dell is that the power supply is a little weak, the fan is noisy, and the Mobo/PS connectors are wired to a proprietary harness, so you either have to replace both the Power Supply and the mobo at the same time, or by a new mobo direct from dell. (of course, that also figures on being out of warranty and having to do more than place a phone call to have them dispatch a tech)

Compaq/HP = I've used them in the past, but haven't really used them since before they got rid of all the proprietary stuff and extra software. HP makes great printers, but I can't say the same about the home computers. When I worked at OfficeMax, we had lots of returns on defective home models.

Small brands, such as Emachines, systemax and Vision = generally a good deal pricewise, but if you need support, lacking there.

My personal favorite nationally known manufacturer of PC's would be Alienware, though you do pay extra for cutting edge stuff and cool colors.

About two months ago, for a project I was working on, we needed to order a server class PC and 4 workstations. We ordered these from a local manufacturer who seems to do a good job. Here's a config and price list, for comparison. Not sure how prices would compare this month.

Server-class
Pentium IV 2.4ghz, 512MB RAM, dual 120GB Hard drives in Mirrored RAID, ATI Radeon 7500 64mb Vid card, onboard audio and LAN, CD burner, Windows 2000 server and redundant power supplies. $2200

Workstations
Pentium IV 2.4ghz, 256MB RAM, 120GB Hard drive, ATI Radeon 7500 64mb Vid card, onboard audio and LAN, CD burner, Windows 2000 pro $1100

Well, I hope this helps,

TC
 
I worked at a HDD vendor to PC makers. Among many customers like Compaq, Dell, HP, Gateway, Apple, Sony, Dell was the toughest. They bought at the lowest price with highest quality standard. I hated them because of this reason, but I like and recommend Dell PC as a customer by the same reason. Their PCs are equipped with best quality parts at the cheapest price.
 
This is the only computer I've owned that if it crashes I can put a disk in and recover the OS. So, I run the OS on one drive, put all stored data on the other hard drive, and I got no probs.

I got a deal on it when I was workinng for an IMB subsidiary.

Keith
 
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