Double Edged...but not a dagger

ESEE 3-MIL!! Perfect. Thanks, Darkangel. You sure know your stuff. I'm getting one. One side for everyday boxes and tape, and preserve the other edge for when you need it.

Some of you guys seem very hung up on the law. If you ever stabbed someone, I honestly think the type of knife involved would be the very least of your worries.
 
It's not that people are hung up on the law, it's that they might want to save someone a potential headache because they might be ignorant of the law or knife terminology. That is after all what a community is about, education, sharing, learning, you know?
 
Shadow Tech Knives makes several small fixed blades that are sharpened on both sides and are not daggers. That's about the only thing that comes to mind.

edit: To narrow it down a bit, I'm thinking of their Talon A wharncliffe and Talon B spearpoint models.
 
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I agree if you do stab some one the type of knife will be irrelevant in most cases. What other members are trying to point out to you though is that in every day carry a double edge knife can land you behind bars just by having it on your person and that includes a esee clip point. Just food for thought.
 
iHermes said:
ESEE 3-MIL!! Perfect. Thanks, Darkangel. You sure know your stuff. I'm getting one. One side for everyday boxes and tape, and preserve the other edge for when you need it.

Some of you guys seem very hung up on the law. If you ever stabbed someone, I honestly think the type of knife involved would be the very least of your worries.
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Actually it is quite important and speaks to intent. Do it with an illegal dagger like you are considering and all of a sudden self defense becomes carrying and using a deadly weapon with intent, in many cases.
 
If you stab someone in self-defense with a knife that is illegal to carry in your jurisdiction, and if that stabbing is determined to be a justified use of force, you can still be prosecuted for carrying an illegal knife. The fact that your ACTIONS were justified do not in any way give you a free-pass for committing another crime (carrying an illegal knife).

If the District Attorney doesn't believe that your actions were justified and you used an illegal knife, your prosecutor can use the fact that you were carrying an illegal knife to convince the jury that you are in fact a criminal.

And if you don't believe me on this, consult a criminal defense attorney. Arming yourself with a weapon for self-defense without consulting an attorney is a great way to wind up in jail. If you make an uneducated choice, don't be surprised if your lack of knowledge regarding the workings of the criminal justice system comes back to bite you in the ass.

If you can carry a legal knife that will effectively serve your needs, why risk criminal charges, a criminal record, thousands of dollars in fines, court cost, and lawyer fees, and all the other unpleasant crap that goes with it, just to carry a knife with illegal features you don't really need.

And if you think that prosecutors won't care if you broke what YOU consider to be a silly or insignificant law, well, I met a lot of guys in jail who thought the same thing, and boy were they disappointed to learn that they were wrong. Believe it or not, but DA's love to prosecute weapon crimes.

How much would it suck to survive an attack, escape criminal charges for your actions, only to wind up going to jail for carrying an illegal weapon. And that's exactly what a District Attorney will call it- an ILLEGAL WEAPON, they won't look upon it as a simple, ordinary knife or tool like we do.
 
The Shadow Tech Talons look good. Thanks G. Scott, but I already ordered an ESEE.

I live in Arizona where we have gotten rid of most of our knife and gun laws. Here you can walk into a store, buy a gun, put it in your pocket and walk out. No more CCWs, no more waiting periods. I'm home in bed by 10:00pm these days anyway, so my chances of getting searched are pretty slim.
 
killgar said:
If you stab someone in self-defense with a knife that is illegal to carry in your jurisdiction, and if that stabbing is determined to be a justified use of force, you can still be prosecuted for carrying an illegal knife.
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Chances are you will still get charged with an illegal weapon, and then try to get you to plead guilty to it. Does not matter if it was a case of self defence, the American justice system likes plea bargains a little too much.
 
I've got a custom recurve I designed and had made by Zach Whitson of Iron Mountain Knives. It has about 2-3 inches of sharpened swedge, but it's a knife built for self defense: I can use it in a forward or reverse grip easily with the reverse grip alway being very comfortable and edge in ( a la pekiti-tirsia). It cost too much to actually carry though :) I wish someone would offer something like it at a production cost...
 
iHermes said:
The Shadow Tech Talons look good. Thanks G. Scott, but I already ordered an ESEE.

I live in Arizona where we have gotten rid of most of our knife and gun laws. Here you can walk into a store, buy a gun, put it in your pocket and walk out. No more CCWs, no more waiting periods. I'm home in bed by 10:00pm these days anyway, so my chances of getting searched are pretty slim.
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The ESEE will serve you well, I'm sure. I didn't know about that particular one or I'd have suggested it, too. :thumbup:

As a fellow Arizonan, I can tell you there are really no worries about what knife you choose to carry or how you choose to carry it. There are no "illegal" knives here, and you can carry openly or concealed, as you see fit. Prior to the passage of the "constitutional carry" law back in 2010, AZ's CCW covered not only handguns but also knives with blades longer than 4". When the law passed, it didn't change the nature of what was allowed, it just made it so that a CCW is optional. :thumbup:
 
Many full size Bowie knives have a sharpened top edge for 2”-3”. This even extends to many Bowie styled knives, e.g. the Air Force 5.5” rescue/ survival knife, Randall Model 1s and 14s, etc. The law may call them illegal daggers, but it isn’t any where near a full sharpened edge. Interesting note as to the constitutionality of the double edge knife bans as such knives were in common use post the Civil War. Thus , under the US supreme Court’s Bruen “ ban” test, the Gov’t. would have the burden of proof as to why the full or partial double edged knives should now be illegal, when they were generally legal in the Court’s relevant time period for comparison. I’ll bet that case will be decided by the Supreme Court, in the next few years.
 
Aaron880 said:
Many full size Bowie knives have a sharpened top edge for 2”-3”. This even extends to many Bowie styled knives, e.g. the Air Force 5.5” rescue/ survival knife, Randall Model 1s and 14s, etc. The law may call them illegal daggers, but it isn’t any where near a full sharpened edge. Interesting note as to the constitutionality of the double edge knife bans as such knives were in common use post the Civil War. Thus , under the US supreme Court’s Bruen “ ban” test, the Gov’t. would have the burden of proof as to why the full or partial double edged knives should now be illegal, when they were generally legal in the Court’s relevant time period for comparison. I’ll bet that case will be decided by the Supreme Court, in the next few years.
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Not sure if any of these folks are around eleven years later to get this. Good stuff either way.
 
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