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Lion's Roar

Lion's Roar

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I realize that I am going to tick someone off, I don't care. If I do, chances are I've put up with you too. I'm trying to make light of recent events on the forum.

Humor me: How about a Drunken Rant Forum? (Maybe somewhere away from the Cantina.) Maybe a Holiday Drunken Rant Forum? Chances are, this would be a no-go. Maybe a Thread that says, post your drunken rants here?

Heck, I would have some eggnog just to kick it off.
 
Maybe over in the Whine & Cheese forum. There you can say what you want and then you can take yer beatin' like a man.
 
That gives me an idea. There are a number of occasions when threads have been moved to a more appropriate forum. Although this IS a CANTINA, maybe once the limits for cantina behavior have been over-reached, then move it to the Whine & Cheese forum? I don't know, this is moderator stuff, I'm just a fixture by the bar.
 
I dont see the point of drunken rants in the cantina. I dont like them, I dont think this should be a place for them :(

Keno
 
There have been a few threads that I would've liked to have seen moved to W&C, mostly because I wanted to shoot my mouth off in a way inappropriate for this forum. They were not moved, I didn't shoot my mouth off, and things worked out fine in the end.

Drunken ranting is a fact of life. Sometimes it's embarrassing, sometimes it's annoying, but when you look back on it six months later, it's usually pretty funny.
 
Lion's Roar has posted what I was going to post on a seperate thread this morning.
There is no sense in a seperate thread- this is that thread, and like always, it it we here, all of us, and not one man nor moderator who makes a home.

I am not disturbed by drunken rants- that much- I worked in Psych too long, I've seen too many things, growing up in Southern Calif and watching broken lives and injured hearts.

I personally think we are over focused on the drunken rant part of the recent life here because of Warlock6. Brent chose an unfortunate time to babble- And some of the angst and displacement driven by Warlock6 I think got rubbed off on Brent.

Warlock6 has been banned. HE is banned after much discussion by mods. It was not a lock step decision. I said that anyone is free to reflect here- and I meant it. But Warlock came with false credentials- the forebearence given was to a vet. There is no record of Warlock being a vet that I have seen. Bill Martino was a kind hearted man who took much on face value. I love that about him. Many forumites have written your mods with compelling and solid base that Warlock's own supplied information to check his veracity is false.

I must tell you all that as a Mod I feel less than able. I am not Bill Martino. Nor am I the kind to want to ban someone because they offend me. I know who I am, and much thrown my way simply does not land on me. It cannot. But I am very attuned to your feelings. You, my forumite friends, who chose me to be a mod, with others, trust me to make sure this place is balanced. I try my best with help from you all and my fellow mods, Yvsa, Howard, Yangdu.

When I open these pages an adventure opens before me. I see so much potential here. I know if I'm flawed- it will be revealed. Why I go forward, and I'm speaking completely selfishly now, is because I know I'll learn how to do better with love and the help of my friends and family. The truth is hard. It can hurt. And I want to see it brought fair. I change my behavior as I grow.

Our business is redemption and freindship. But the rebuke is part of that too.
We see. That's right, isn't it?

So, I'm going to try and write Brent this am and tell him to take some time off. We made a home and we've no reason to want people mocking it. But a home does also have forebearence.

Consequences and forebearence.

What say you all?

munk
 
Your approach works just fine for me, Munk. I lack your patience and would be more inclined to cast a thread into W&C if I were in your shoes.

Thanks for being there.
 
well done, Munk. That seems fair to me. I think some people feel that mods need to fall in one extreme or the other. Either he who bringith hell-fire or a subservent pawn. Mod is short for moderation. Moderation means sometimes or some but not all. A mod's job is not to crack the whip, nor is it to be a jolly ol' doormat. It is to guide forumites on the right path defined by Spark's rules. In my view, a mod is in place of what those familiar with psych and learning call "natural consquences". They do the job that a punch in the nose or a bum's rush would solve. It's like I tell my customers, my job is NOT to cater to their every whim and be beaten about the brow over prices. My job is to be fair. Fair to them AND fair to my company. Fair is not 50/50 in business. I will bend over backwards for my customers, but I don't let them bend me over.
I think this was a good call on the mods part. Warlock was really rubbing me the wrong way. I know he comes from "the old days", but this isn't the old days. The guard, for the most part, has changed. The cantina has changed a bit. We have grown as a group. We still hold the ideals of Bill Martino true, but fighting for fighting's sake just doesn't cut it anymore, IMHO. Likewise, Brent seems like a good guy, but I think a little time off might be in order. Maybe lurking would be OK, but not posting until he gets the "feel" of this place a little better. I know this is an off topic forum, but I really don't want to spend my time sifting through word salad;) Anyway, as always, I am behind the rule of my friends of the cantina. We're growing. It can be painful, but I think the mods and everyone else is doing a damn fine job of keeping this place clean.

Jake
 
munk- ...what a great post.

"When I open these pages an adventure opens before me..."
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Drunks and troublemakers are usually removed from public places, though mostly, the injury they cause is to themselves.

Has to be hard to be a moderator. Luckily, we have three good ones.



Ad Astra
 
I've written Brent. I've talked to Yangdu, written my fellow mods, talked and written to Nasty. (The one who sweeps)







munk
 
My only thought is that if someone is drunk enough to say something that they really shouldn't, they may not have the control to limit themselves to a particular thread or forum anyway.

As for Warlock6, I can't say I'm sorry to see him go. As the new guy, I didn't feel it was my place to say anything at the time, but he rubbed me entirely the wrong way. I was honestly surprised by some of the things he said without being rebuked by others.

I'm sorry he forced a hard choice on you, munk. Trying to maintain a good balance and open discussion isn't easy. I think a lot of people get carried away sometimes by the anonymity offered by the internet, and it's hard to know where to draw the line.

-Ross
 
We have already divided our forum in two . Certainly there have been benefits . I do feel that the benefits outweighed the drawbacks . Shall we now divide our forum further still ? One thing tbat attracted me to this forum was the relative maturity displayed here . It is my opinion that drunken ranters would be better advised not to drink than to foist their immature blatherings upon others . Certainly we may become empassioned by our beliefs . We can even at times step over the line and be asked to show caution or at least discretion . We still do not have to lower ourselves to barely comprehensible jabber .
I have used highly subjective descriptions here . If the moderators feel that such a forum is necessary I will not object further . I do not see how allowing ourselves to lose control on any forum is of benefit to anyone .
 
We are not creating a drunken rant forum and neither will the Cantina allowed to become such.



munk
 
I've been around a drunken fool or two. Almost always, I try to talk the obviously mentally disturbed down, calmly and with love, all the while wanting to kill them with my teeth. My demons make theirs look cuddly, and yet I have better things to do than rant about how awful my life (to be clear- my life is great! ;) ) is.

This should be a place of acceptance and love, but the acceptance is for varying type of people, for varied experiences and values and hopes and dreams and fears. The acceptance is not for all the mental **** or useless verbal vomit one can expunge.

Love, it was recently pointed out, has many faces, and if we as a community let someone behave abusively, we have neither love for them nor for our neighbor.

And, shucks, I love y'all. :D

John
 
All cantinas have a few drunks. What I mean is that almost everyone drinks a little too much at times. I know that I have been guilty of this. Sometimes a bit over the top.

Within reason I think that everyone deserves a second chance.

Maybe not a third or fourth however. There is a difference between an episode and a lifestyle.

I am very thankful that I am not a moderator, and even more thankful that we have Munk, Yvsa and Howard to take up this irksome burden. (And Nasty to sweep up afterwards)

And yeah, take the rants to Whine and Cheese.....
 
Good call, Munk. And well-said by all. Yet another example of our forum sorting its business out in the appropriate way. Well-done.

Chris
 
I really do like the way other forum moderators at BFC just quietly move a thread to W&C as soon as it crosses the line and becomes inappropriate to the forum. Those who wish to remain in the fracas can do so without disturbing the forum, and rest of us can just watch it swirl down the bowl into oblivion without all of the attendant disruption of our atmosphere. I once made that recommendation to Rusty & Bill, but I guess it didn't fit the HI forum philosophy.

I don't suffer fools well. We got trolled so much awhile back that I just quit reacting to it altogether. I don't wish to feed them and I lack the ability to cast them out, so I just ignore them until they settle down or they walk the plank. But it has significantly changed the way I communicate here over the past year or so.
 
If he came under false credentials, then I have no problems with your (all of you) banning him. Otherwise, I'd have let hem stay. I cut him a lot of slack because of what (I thought) he was: a dying vet.

I had no problems with Ben Arown-Awile, either. I was in the minority.

Remember what the 'Ignore' list is for.

REALLY glad I don't have the moderator job. I'd mess it up royally in no time at all.
 
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