DT-12 Res-C handle cutaway pictures. Why it is hollow?

[Laurarium]

Someone sent me some cutaway photos of a DT-12.
It appears that the tapered tang does not fill up the handle.
Is it for shock damping?

 

[ScoMa]

Ease of insertion??



Giggity!

 

[Private Klink]

^^^ That was my guess, as Dan Busse stated that they were pressed on.

 

[Deltadreams]

Dang I always wondered what the dirty trick looked like. I thought it would be cool to do a leather stacked handle on res c but I wanted to start small this is the ws-1021 trail point. I haven’t finished the leather stack replacement yet.

 

[Laurarium]

Dang I always wondered what the dirty trick looked like. I thought it would be cool to do a leather stacked handle on res c but I wanted to start small this is the ws-1021 trail point. I haven’t finished the leather stack replacement yet.View attachment 2678417

Thanks, another photo for my tang shape database.
If you put on stacked leather along with brass guard and pommel, it would be really nice.

 

[duramax]

Dang I always wondered what the dirty trick looked like. I thought it would be cool to do a leather stacked handle on res c but I wanted to start small this is the ws-1021 trail point. I haven’t finished the leather stack replacement yet.View attachment 2678417

Have you figured how much leather you might need ? If you haven’t gotten any yet I have some scrap leather here. Mostly pieces trimmed off hides , too small now. I could mail some to you.

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

Ease of insertion??



Giggity!

This one's "ribbed for her pleasure"

the photo is from one of Will's posts a while back:

 

[Deltadreams]

Have you figured how much leather you might need ? If you haven’t gotten any yet I have some scrap leather here. Mostly pieces trimmed off hides , too small now. I could mail some to you.

Thank you so much for the offer. I do have a hole sandwich bag full of leather “washers” stamped out just waiting for a punch to come in the mail that matches the specks of the tang. I will update with a picture someday when I finish .

 

[360joules]

This is my first time seeing this post. That tang on the dt12 is disappointing to say the least. Big step backward from the days of the camp tramp and that 1311.

Now I'm worried about my free reins.

 

[oldmanwilly]

This is my first time seeing this post. That tang on the dt12 is disappointing to say the least. Big step backward from the days of the camp tramp and that 1311.

Now I'm worried about my free reins.

Is it really that big of an issue? I have Nepalese Khukuris with the traditional "rat tail" tang construction that is demonstrably thinner than what's seen in the DT-12 and, despite beating them into hardwoods for years, I have yet to break one. I have likewise beaten on my DT-12 and haven't yet shaken it loose.

Hasn't the DT-12 been around for a few years? If the tang construction was a major issue, wouldn't we have seen someone posting pics of their broken knife by now?

 

[Laurarium]

This is my first time seeing this post. That tang on the dt12 is disappointing to say the least. Big step backward from the days of the camp tramp and that 1311.

Now I'm worried about my free reins.

I see your concern being that the tang is not as wide or robust looking.
However, they did it on purpose, removing more material raises cost, it would not be done if there is no benefit.
(Some manufacturers would weld on rat tangs to the blade, so they could cut much shorter blanks thus reduce the cost of material, which is not the case on the intergral blanks of DT-12 )
Tapered tangs like such are not only more than strong enough, they offer a number of benefits like shock damping\high chopping power at given total weight etc.

You may have a look at Joe X’s testing on DT-12 and the tang is very durable.(Though I have criticised many aspects of his review, but the video footage are still raw data with some value. He is rather biased, but he can’t alter the laws of physics)

 

[360joules]

Is it really that big of an issue? I have Nepalese Khukuris with the traditional "rat tail" tang construction that is demonstrably thinner than what's seen in the DT-12 and, despite beating them into hardwoods for years, I have yet to break one. I have likewise beaten on my DT-12 and haven't yet shaken it loose.

Hasn't the DT-12 been around for a few years? If the tang construction was a major issue, wouldn't we have seen someone posting pics of their broken knife by now?

It's not necessarily the tang breaking that has me concerned. Jerry is good about still having all the corner radiuses, etc, to avoid stress points. I have sent back knives for handle replacements before because the resiprene loosens up. This design will make it more likely as the back end is only supported by the tube rivet.

I see your concern being that the tang is not as wide or robust looking.
However, they did it on purpose, removing more material raises cost, it would not be done if there is no benefit.
(Some manufacturers would weld on rat tangs to the blade, so they could cut much shorter blanks thus reduce the cost of material, which is not the case on the intergral blanks of DT-12 )
Tapered tangs like such are not only more than strong enough, they offer a number of benefits like shock damping\high chopping power at given total weight etc.

You may have a look at Joe X’s testing on DT-12 and the tang is very durable.(Though I have criticised many aspects of his review, but the video footage are still raw data with some value. He is rather biased, but he can’t alter the laws of physics)

I don't believe for a second that these handles are shaped by hand on a grinder. The form is CNC cut. I appreciate the total faith in Jerry only making manufacturing decisions for our benefit.

Don't get me wrong, I believe the knife is still a beast. I just have opinions on this particular change and I would have more confidence with the beefier tang of the past.

 

[oldmanwilly]

It's not necessarily the tang breaking that has me concerned. Jerry is good about still having all the corner radiuses, etc, to avoid stress points. I have sent back knives for handle replacements before because the resiprene loosens up. This design will make it more likely as the back end is only supported by the tube rivet.

That is a good point. I wonder if it would make sense to punch out the tube rivet, pull off the resiprene handle, fill the lower part with epoxy, then press the handle back over the tang in order to fill the voids. Although, at that point I reckon you might as well just install a new handle and pommel.

 

[Laurarium]

It's not necessarily the tang breaking that has me concerned. Jerry is good about still having all the corner radiuses, etc, to avoid stress points. I have sent back knives for handle replacements before because the resiprene loosens up. This design will make it more likely as the back end is only supported by the tube rivet.



I don't believe for a second that these handles are shaped by hand on a grinder. The form is CNC cut. I appreciate the total faith in Jerry only making manufacturing decisions for our benefit.

Don't get me wrong, I believe the knife is still a beast. I just have opinions on this particular change and I would have more confidence with the beefier tang of the past.

I did not mean that the tang is hand shaped.
I meant that there is no motivation to do the tapered tang except for better chopping etc. , it certainly is not going to lower the cost, machining or material wise.

I have not had res-c loosening on me, after throwing them or hitting the pommel with wood baton.
If you have had res-c loosening on you, I agree that it is a reasonable concern about the hollow.

Yet I think in general res-c are solid and you might be seeing some flukes.
Have the replacements loosened in use?
If not, then it’s probably not a common problem.

 

[Jack of All Blades]

Never had any res-c loosen on me but the hollow spaces in the photo are a bit concerning to say the least.

 

[janx]

So... do we have an official explanation of why it is like it is? or not?

 

[dogboye]

So… I’m going to say it again… Busse has THE BEST warranty in the business. IF you can break that tang, he will replace the knife; of that I am confident. Take it from the John Deere dogboye.

If it were my knife, I’d beat it like I stole it. It’s the only way you can prove it to yourself.

 

[Cobalt]

This is my first time seeing this post. That tang on the dt12 is disappointing to say the least. Big step backward from the days of the camp tramp and that 1311.

Now I'm worried about my free reins.

As long as you stay under 360 joules, you should be fine.

 

[Laurarium]

So... do we have an official explanation of why it is like it is? or not?

I’d say that it’s a deliberate tapering tang for better balance and vibration control.
I see no other motivation for doing so, it’s not going to be cheaper to produce.
They made an accidental mistake? Unlikely.

 

[Cobalt]

I’d say that it’s a deliberate tapering tang for better balance and vibration control.
I see no other motivation for doing so, it’s not going to be cheaper to produce.
They made an accidental mistake? Unlikely.

It's almost a stick tang.