Dual Survival - Cauterization

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RickJ said:
clean out with water, if you have a syringe you can flush it out with that, provided you have a first aid kit, close wound with wound closure strips, then cover with a bandage. If no first aid kit, you could clean out with water and cover with a clean shirt/
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Exactly, always clean a wound with water. Every FAK should include a decent sized syringe for flushing a wound. Aggresive irrigation and scrubbing goes a long way at preventing infections. The whole point with scrubbing and flushing is to reduce the amount of harmful bacteria, so the bodys own defense will be able to handle them.

From the book Wilderness Medicine - Beyond First Aid: The solution to pollution is dilution.

Forget everything about cauterization.
 
In the season 3 opener, Cody neuters Dave with his mora after bitching about having to build the shelter again.
 
when the hell did they do this on the show? or is this a clip of the new season? +1 on one of the most retarded ideas i have ever seen on public t.v. I can just see some kid doing this at home, saying something along the lines of " mommy i saw this on tv and the survival guy did it so i thought i would do it too." what in gods name were they thinking doing this? im loosing more and more respect for dave and now cody too after seeing this, DONT EVER TRY THIS IN THE WOODS.
 
In all fairness to Bear, as ridiculous as he is. I don't believe I've ever seen him intentionally injure himself. I wonder what Les Stroud might think of these two guys. I've read both of Cody's books and thought he had a lot more credibility than this right here.
 
Cauterizing a wound with heat and black powder isn't anything new.

They showed it being done on that pretty good documentary about 2-3 decades ago. Had that big ugly gun fighter and a whore (although he thought she was a nun) on the run down in Mexico.

Even showed how to kill a rattlesnake with nothing more than your boot covered foot and a knife (an ESEE if I'm not mistaken) - and then they fried it up and ate it! Pretty hard core.

It was much better than Dual Survival though, especially the end when they took a bath together....
 
Albin said:
Cauterizing a wound with heat and black powder isn't anything new.

They showed it being done on that pretty good documentary about 2-3 decades ago. Had that big ugly gun fighter and a whore (although he thought she was a nun) on the run down in Mexico.

Even showed how to kill a rattlesnake with nothing more than your boot covered foot and a knife (an ESEE if I'm not mistaken) - and then they fried it up and ate it! Pretty hard core.

It was much better than Dual Survival though, especially the end when they took a bath together....
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Sara was HOT!!!
 
Is Cody the one who runs barefoot in the woods? That is probably as dumb as cauterizing the wound with blackpowder.
A better method, and one which would get viewer shares would have been for Cody to forcefully urinate (as long as he doesn't have a bladder infection) on the wound to clean it then bandage it with a cloth covered in wood ashes.
 
holy crap now dave is cutting himself....emo-survival skills

in all seriousness, i love how cody is just like, well this sucks, we shouldnt be doing this
 
PropThePolecat said:
Exactly, always clean a wound with water. Every FAK should include a decent sized syringe for flushing a wound. Aggresive irrigation and scrubbing goes a long way at preventing infections. The whole point with scrubbing and flushing is to reduce the amount of harmful bacteria, so the bodys own defense will be able to handle them.

From the book Wilderness Medicine - Beyond First Aid: The solution to pollution is dilution.

Forget everything about cauterization.
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I wanted to mention it but did not, a Special Forces Medic told me that saying (The solution to pollution is dilution) many years ago and it always stayed with me, he was a great medic and a great guy. I also think he saved my life one time.
 
Widerstand said:
Anyone have any thoughts on this video?
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First up, I noticed that there is a very similar disclaimer at the start of this video to the one Bear uses. :rolleyes:

Considering what seemed to be the amount of effort "Dave" used to cut his arm, maybe "Cody" needs to learn what a truly sharp knife is :D

If the Cauterising didn't work, at least "Dave" could have cut off one of "Codys" braids and used them as a torniquet to stem the massive blood flow :p

Secondly, people actually watch this crap?

I really think everyone would be better off spending less time in front of the TV and more time getting out & doing :thumbup:




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Mick
 
Dave's pretty damn hardcore for doing that. I can't say I would ever jam a Mora into my arm the way he did. I wonder how much they paid him to do it?

However, as others have said, that's completely f@$#ing stupid and not good for the credibility of the show. I have a feeling Cody is against this kind of stuff; he usually seems to have his head screwed on straight (except for the shoes thing, but I digress). You could tell in the video he was uncomfortable with the situation. Seems to me like he was pressured into taking part in it by the production team. Dave, not so much. I still like him though. He's done a lot of good for the survival "community," and this is one of the very few "bads" I can think of.

Also, this is why I carry super glue in my FAK. Not the hardware store stuff, but the medical grade glue that isn't readily available to the public. They use it a lot on animals. My girlfriend is a vet. I have access to some interesting stuff ;)

Clean the wound, glue it shut, leave a small opening on either side so it can breathe a bit, then cover it with a bandage of some sort. Hell, use a shirt piece and some duct tape if it's all you have. Anything but trying to cauterize it in the field! There's always going to be a better option, even if you don't have a FAK (and if you're carrying a gun, I don't see why you wouldn't have one...).
 
jaymeister99 said:
.... but that scene in Rambo was rediculous.
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Now hang on just a moment. :mad:

Rambo, John J, was ex special forces.

As well all know, this instantly adds credibility when it comes to knowing how to live in the wilderness or designing knives :thumbup:

Give Rambo a break. He just happened to have his film crew along with him in that cave in Afghanistan to record what he needed to do to survive.

I only hope there is a Rambo 5 so I can learn more about wilderness survival :thumbup:



Kind regards
Mick :p
 
NothingCoherent said:
Dave's pretty damn hardcore for doing that. I can't say I would ever jam a Mora into my arm the way he did. I wonder how much they paid him to do it?

However, as others have said, that's completely f@$#ing stupid and not good for the credibility of the show. I have a feeling Cody is against this kind of stuff; he usually seems to have his head screwed on straight (except for the shoes thing, but I digress). You could tell in the video he was uncomfortable with the situation. Seems to me like he was pressured into taking part in it by the production team.
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You raise some valid points about pressure from above.

I wonder how many of the Bear attackers understand this and are prepared to cut Bear the same amount of slack.

Or is it too much to ask that people have touch with reality?



Kind regards
Mick
 
Burning a wound closed and using a plant such as aloe to treat the cauterized scar is much better than walking around lost in the wilderness with a gaping open wound. Assuming you have no needle and thread.

What is stupid IMO is that he uses a sterilized blade to cut his arm and does not talk about the risks of infection if you are wounded in the wild without any equipment.

I would have liked to see him cut his arm with a sharp stick or rock and then see him do it again.
 
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SouthernCross said:
You raise some valid points about pressure from above.

I wonder how many of the Bear attackers understand this and are prepared to cut Bear the same amount of slack.

Or is it too much to ask that people have touch with reality?



Kind regards
Mick
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Yeah, people need to understand that these guys need to make a living too. The world runs on money whether we like it or not. The show needs to be popular for that to happen, and unfortunately most people flipping through channels aren't interested in seeing how snow shoes are made or how to trap a squirrel. Gotta keep things interesting to the general public, or the show wont exist at all! Enter: crazy stunts.

Still, Bear is pretty notorious for being COMPLETELY out of touch with "survival," not just once in a while. He's not much more than a stuntman. And he's damn good at what he does. We've mostly come to accept that by now, I think. Dave, on the other hand, is a pretty legit survival instructor. It's sad to see him selling out. At least his knife isn't plastic junk, though! :o
 
Albin said:
Cauterizing a wound with heat and black powder isn't anything new.

They showed it being done on that pretty good documentary about 2-3 decades ago. Had that big ugly gun fighter and a whore (although he thought she was a nun) on the run down in Mexico.

Even showed how to kill a rattlesnake with nothing more than your boot covered foot and a knife (an ESEE if I'm not mistaken) - and then they fried it up and ate it! Pretty hard core.

It was much better than Dual Survival though, especially the end when they took a bath together....
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If the documentary was 2-3 decades ago, you'd absolutely be mistaken about them using an ESEE, as that company name has only been around a couple of years, and the R.A.T. group it came from started in the mid to late 90's. Probably just looked like something they'd make. :)
 
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