E&E Kit???????????

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RickJ

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OK! Here is the deal, I am going on a little vacation in a nice place called Afghanistan, and I want to keep an E&E Kit on me while out and about doing stuff! I have some stuff put together but I would like other Military and Prior Military to give me their Ideas on this.

Container is a BlackHawk E&E Pouch, tell me what you think should go in it and why! I am looking forward to any and all suggestions.
 
Make sure you keep a little blowout kit on you too. Lots of crazy fuckers with AK47's there so i hear.
 
If the first E of E&E is "ESCAPE", how bout putting some of your kit on you rather than in a pouch. I know SAS guys (and no doubt other SF types) put a button compass in the drawstring waistband of battle smocks & trousers. Maybe even work a decent wire-saw into a waistband? Im sure theres a good few places you could hide kit on your person, that would remain with you in the event of (GOD FORBID!) capture. I seem to remember seeing some nasty little lexan "OSS/SOE toothpicks" in AG Russells brochure once, one of them could be useful.
 
This pouch is very heavy duty and has a good belt loop and will be very secure on my body, I have thought about putting thingd hidden in my uniform but then you kinda got to do it to all your uniforms.
 
Check out this site lots of good E & E information from military personnel

http://www.us-rsog.org/USRSOG-Enter.htm

You may want to consider a drop/low ride type pouch so it won't interfer with your other gear and is always attached to your pants belt as opposes to your battle gear.
 
The BlackHawk E&E pouch I am talking about is a low ride pouch! And yes it goes on the Belt not the WEB Gear, now we have Mollie gear.
 
A fellow who was in The Guides once wrote that his most important piece of "kit" was a small, light tarp that, when pulled over him, made him look like part of the hillside. That was over a century ago, but the tribesmen then were just as nasty and inclined to torture ("When you're left for dead on the Afghan planes" etc.). I think he had a good idea.

Some light-but-tough water bags would be good so a longer-lasting supply can be gathered - if a source can be found at all. (The gent from The Guides said he "knew every waterhole in a fifty-mile radius.")

Since a long period of evasion may be required due to restriction on movement, some top-of-the-line purification pills would be good.

Oh, and something to bribe the locals. That was gold coins sewn into the uniform then. Paper money may do now.

Take care.

Ed: Do we have a modern version of the "Blood Chit" for those deployed to this area?
 
some items could be installed in a belt. Easy to change when you change your pants. The pouch is more of a grap and run item when you need to ditch your pack. E & E needs to be hidden on you always.
A SASS-Kit button compass you can swallow one of those. Fact in WWII that was part of the instructions.
Can get Vet. wire saw cheap and put it in all you pants waist bands.
Gold coins or a few rings.
a couple of handcuff keys, lock picks. learn to use them. Easy to hide.
Scalpel blades cuze they are easy to hide.
Everything else can go into your grab bag.
 
I am looking for a list of stuff that you guys would choose for an E & E Pouch! All I am looking for is Equipment Ideas for a BlackHawk E & E pouch?
 
I packed the items that were on my body in my pockets. I went for everything light. VS-17 panel cut down in the Boonie hat, Firefly for signal in the pocket. Iodine tabs in the pocket. A couple packages of curlex in the pocket. My fire starter kit was a small flint and steel with a little siplock baggie of vasoline and gauze. Not many trees where I was at so no need for a saw. All the shrubs could be easily hacked with a good knife. I practiced making a fire with the grasses around my firebase. I tried it when it was raining and everything lit pretty well. There are lots of fires out there at night so I figured if I really needed one I could probably pull it off. There are a ton of old bedwin camps, Shepards shelters and Russian fighting positions that I used for shelter. I did not really emphasize the capture part of it based off of the history of the conflict. Not saying it couldn't happen. Just wasn't my priority. Just some thoughts from my AO
 
My thoughts exactly! Thats why I am set on the E & E Pouch on my Belt.

You confirmed many of the thoughts that I have had on this subject.
 
I'd suggest:
-bottle of iodine pills
-The smallest SAK that has a canopener
-a magnesium block w/ sparking metal rod thing embedded in the side.
-signal mirror
-small compass
-one of those small plastic things that holds tiny ceramic knife sharpening "sticks" in an X shape ($5 at WalMart)
-small bottle of salt. Unsalted food is hideous.
-tea bags
-An 8oz. can of butter.
 
If you're trying to make this a stand-alone kit (that is, not dependent on your web gear or pocket itmes), that gives a place to start.

Obviously water is a major concern, so in addition to whatever you're carrying on your webbing I'd add one of the .5 quart pilot flasks, the kind that's designed to fit in the thigh pocket of a flight suit, and keep it full. In case you run across a water source I'd add at least one or two Platypus bags or similar "foldable canteen". Also, some form of water purification tabs. To boil suspect water and for general puprose I'd go wiht the largest Sierra cup that you can fit in your pouch.

Food should be calorie dense and no-heat. Stuff like Datrex lifeboat rations comes to mind, as does hard candies and glucose tablets for quick energy.

Fire can be covered any number of ways, but my favorite ferro rod is the Gerber Strike Force. It's a big rod, throws mondo sparks and you cans tore tinder in the handle.

Shelter is problematic in such a small space, given the area. While a large garbage bag (the 55 gallon contractor size) is handy, I don't know how it wuold work in the desert. A loosely woven, sand colored piece of cloth would be better, but take up more space/weight. For sure take lots of cordage and light wire for lashing together a shelter. Also a sewing kit to repair your clothes.

Knife-wise I'd carry a Ranger SAK in your trouser pocket (that's the model I carry and it has a good assortment of tools for improvising in the field), with some sort of multi-tool on your belt in a pouch. If you want a knife specifically for your pouch I'd go with a large "tactical" folder such as the Manix or the SERE 2000. If you know a friendly quartermaster maybe he'll order you up a Benchmade 9050 Auto; that's my personal survival folder of late, and it's in inventory. For a belt knife (on your trouser belt) you should go wiht something NOT military, with a 3 to 5 inch blade and comfy handle that's relatively stout. I'd suggest the Grohmann #1 Camper, flat ground, or if you want to save some money a Mora or a puukko. A Mora Clipper comes wiht a decent sheath and is a good knife and will only set you back about 10 or 12 bucks; the Grohmann will be closer to $40.00.

Add a small first aid kit, with the basics covered plus whatever meds you might need, and maybe a couple of combat dressings besides (also handy for firestarting) and you should have most of the bases covered. Given the area, I'd reccomend adding a canteen, carrier and cup to your list of "always on you" items, so thjat you have more options for cooking and carrying water than just your pouch kit.
 
A plastic restraint ( read zip-tie) cutter that can be hidden on your person. A few new $50 bills, a nice tradable zippo lighter, and a fresh pack of American cigarettes.

Take Care,
Jeff
 
To the above I'd add some meds. Diarrhea pills. Short of freezing to death, not much will kill you quicker. Some topical and oral antibiotics. You WILL shred yourself around the edges. Consider a few amphetamines, for when you absolutely need to keep going. Remember that using them is taking out a loan at usurious rates, but sometimes you need to go and damn the price.

Some way of catching and holding water. A small plastic tarp to make a solar still can be a lifesaver. I know a guy who survived on one of them for over a week in Yemen. You mught consider packing all your stuff in a rigid metal container that fits inside the E&E bag. That way it doesn't take up much space, and can be used as a canteen or billy.
 
echosix, my results from solar stills and transpiration bags matches most of the published results - insufficient return for the effort in temperate areas. Inland deserts and semi-deserts would be worse - not a lot of lush green vegitation to process. Also, a still limits mobility if that is an issue.

What results have you obtained and in what sort of area?
 
I haven't used one much, but an acquaintance spent a week on an op in Yemen. He was camped out in a wadi, a seasonally dry stream bed. Perhaps there was enough water below the surface to make it work.
 
They work OK if you are using them to process sea water or otherwise questionable water. Used to extract water from soil or vegetation, they are disappointing.
 
I'm going to assume your going over with the military. Based on that I would plan more for evaision and rescue as opposed to a wilderness survival situation. My recommendations would be as follows:

Compass and or small GPS
Map of AO
Signal mirror
Photon III x2 one in kit one on dog tag chain
Sniper veil for camo
two or three Metrex bars High calorie low space consumption
Water purification
Small first aid kit with meds; Motrin, Imodium (don't want to be E & E with the runs), small travel tin of dental floss (Many uses)
Pressure bandage or two and triangular bandage
Quart size ziplock bags for carrying water or Alsok bags
Small fire making kit
550 cord
SAK
Solid fixed blade with 5" blade
Spec Ops Recon Wrap takes up minimal room and can be configured in a number of ways to keep you warm at night

This would be in my E & E always on my person pouch. Good luck hope you never need it.
 
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