Early American Trade Knife

Early trade knives were forged, then ground pretty clean and bright. Probably the equivalent of maybe 320 grit, more, or less, from the info I got from a museum assistant, who is an expert on the English knives. The scalper types were most often tapered half tangs, with the end of the tang forged nearly to a knife edge. Although some other types could be full tanged, but nearly always tapered. The grips are usually found oversized, commonly showing a gap underneath from the extra wood. This was common until close to the 20th c. or even later. By allowing a gap in the tang fit, grips could be prefinished, then lined up reasonably well on top, then attached by rivet pins, quickly, and easily. Often, one size grip might fit three sizes of blades. This gap could be filled with a rezin and brick dust mix, or not at all. Anyhow, if you are going to make a true repro, you need to leave it bright as new, or age it to look used. The finish on those $30.00 modern, so called trade knives, is not correct to represent either. Also. IRON ONLY! No brass or copper pins. I have to say, those $30.00 trade knives are a bargain for the price. They do perform quite well. They are just not anywhere near correct, in an historical sense.
 
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Years ago Bill Adams purchased many Willson knife blanks and finished knives out of a warehouse in England that was filled with them. I believe he owned Numberich Arms at the time and sold a lot of them. I did not see a catalog, but maybe someone can put you on to one of them.

Many also came from Germany and some from France and other countries.

On page 90 of Grant's book is my best bet for the type of knives of the Lewis and Clark Expedition, probably made for them at Harper's Ferry.
 
Hello...a newbie here bumping an old thread, i'm trying to get some of the resources listed here but the interlibrary loan world can take a looong time...I'm coming at this from blacksmithing, but just getting ready to try blades, I'm really interested in both accurate historical knives and the more fanciful ones inspired by them (maybe like Winkler's).

I'm not expecting to pull off something that will withstand serious scrutiny right away, I just want to get started practicing. I have a big pile of worn out farrier rasps that I'm going to use for now, though that may not please everyone. I just wanted to ask what sort of grind was commonly used historically....I'm thinking of early fur trade era french trade knives, and the hudson's bay knife...i should probably be able to tell from looking at the photos but i'm just not there yet with confidence

Also LRB mentioned treating the blade to look old...( i appreciate the arguments for turning one out that looks new, but I like the aesthetics of old..) Can anyone help with some tips on doing this.

Sorry if this is all in the thread archives, I'll keep searching through them as well and do some more research,
thanks!
 
I have had in my possession true Green River knives of both the skinning and one with a very short clip. They were NOT made with Damascus, and were about 1/8" thick. The handles on the two I had were oak. Yes of course they were forged. Frank
 
Sorry, I need to dig and do a whole bunch more homework, I just wanted to jump right in :rolleyes:

I get that they weren't made by stock removal, I had just imagined roughing it out on the anvil and finishing up with a file and a stone....I hope i'm on sort of the right track they look like a full flat shape with secondary bevel.
 
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