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[JediKnight86]

Making something original would cost a lot of money for R&D. Copying something else is a simply creating a CAD file.

Really comes down to the dinero for them. That and there is demand for knockoffs.....somebody is buying this crap. Think of it this way. When you see a woman with a designer handbag, there is a good chance it is fake. At the least in the low income neighborhoods, where I spent the last year unfortunately.

Right but what demand is there for knockoff CRKs? The only people who are familiar with the designs are knife enthusiasts, who would want an original. Unlike handbags.

 

[riz_aaroni]

Right but what demand is there for knockoff CRKs? The only people who are familiar with the designs are knife enthusiasts, who would want an original. Unlike handbags.

I'd imagine there are people who like knives, don't have the dinero for the more costly ones and kind of know about the high end ones. They like the design and know no better on quality or ethics and buy the knockoff. Might not be all that far off the handbag scenario. Though you do have a point.

Though another point all together is that knockoffs are often sold in POS stores that only carry crap everything. People shop there for cheap things that look cool. Chances are they definitely don't know any better and simply like the design. In that case the company taking the design is just copying a successful design to make money from a different segment versus take market share or something along those lines. The gucci knockoffs are a direct threat to gucci since people buy them to save money and still have a gucci looking bag. Chances are people don't buy a gucci brand knockoff bag simply because it looks good. Not sure if any of that makes sense lol.

 

[missin_hobo]

A copy is merely a copy. Without variety or diversity, a copy is doomed to failure on one level or another, not only to its own peril but also to that of whomever decides, misguidedly, to trust one.

There was an article about this in Blade a few months ago. Products imitating other, better products, produced within a country that doesn't recognize or respect the concept of intillectual property, or the laws thereof, do nothing but harm to the legitimate knife industry.
It's not only CRK that is suffering from this, but also Strider, TOPS, and many others. Consider the spyderhole, and Glesser's distinct leaf-shaped blade. How many times have they been used outside of Spyderco's reach?

Any popular or effective nuance of knife design will inevitably be carried down through ideas and generations; there are designs that bear resemblance to the Integral lock, or to the Emerson wave, that contribute nothing to those credited with first inventing them. Perhaps this is not unreasonable, since the bottom line will always be a better product to benefit the end-user. But copies of the nature that is relevant here offer no benefit; only the semblance of style and quality, or worse, the false promise of style and quality, which will only detract from the original maker's intentions and integrity. And regardless of capability or legality, that is WRONG.

 

[ipm]

Stealing is relative to ones legal rights to something.

Is the the real CRK design copyrighted, trademarked, or patented? It the signature/logo trademarked?

If not, then as much as we may not like it, copying is fair game.


PS: I am quite sure the designs and the logo are legally protected. This is just a conversation.

 

[jkarp_53]

Copies, and GOOD ones at that...

A couple of weeks ago I saw my first Axis based copy of a Benchmade HK branded 14205 and 14210, and aside from the logo not saying Benchmade it was VERY difficult to tell the difference between the real and the copy.

They had 'Ganzo' stamped on the blades instead of the HK logo.

Like other companies, I know Benchmade's working on the issue of these blatant copies.

Of great concern is the apparent quality of these knockoffs...here's pics of the real HK knives and the copy of them:

CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE??

 

[riz_aaroni]

jkarp_53, that copy is insanely close to the real thing. If it did have all the BM logo's and what not, I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't know it was fake.

Did you see the copy on ebay or in person somewhere? Not sure if there is a difference in feel between the two.