Ebola (NO political discussion please)

Um, no. But you will eventually turn a pretty shade of blue.

Influenza is airborne and survives outside the body for quite a while. My biggest fear is that someone will have the common flu, catch Ebola, and mutate it to where it's easily transmissible through the air (more than it is now), and survives outside the body for weeks where it can be picked up from surfaces and ingested. (Mouth, eyes, nose)

It's the very same doomsday scenario they've been talking about with bird flu for years. It ain't that far fetched....
 
Reports of its ease of transmission are questionable until one of Duncan's family is diagnosed. They were in the apartment with him for days until he was taken back to the hospital, and none of them have been diagnosed that I've seen.

That said, the margin for error with this disease is essentially zero. I had a rabies scare with my son a couple of years ago. That is a nasty disease as well, and once symptoms show, it is 99.9% fatal. Fortunately it is very rare, and much more difficult to catch. There is also a treatment that is effective once possible exposure is determined. There is no such cushion for Ebola.
 
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The only thing I can come up with is 1. keep the kids home, 2. have lots of stored food, 3. put out "trespassers will be shot" signs.
 
I'd like to know why it hasn't seemed to spread to the middle east, or someplace like china. Maybe I just haven't heard about it, but it seems odd that it they seem to have stayed ebola free (that I know of) while we have had a few cases in the us. I almost hope that ebola spreads to mexico, then maybe the government will get serious about protecting our border.
 
AntDog said:
Um, no. But you will eventually turn a pretty shade of blue.

Influenza is airborne and survives outside the body for quite a while. My biggest fear is that someone will have the common flu, catch Ebola, and mutate it to where it's easily transmissible through the air (more than it is now), and survives outside the body for weeks where it can be picked up from surfaces and ingested. (Mouth, eyes, nose)

It's the very same doomsday scenario they've been talking about with bird flu for years. It ain't that far fetched....
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Just want everyone to know this is NOT how viruses mutate.

Viruses replicate by forcing cells to produce copies of themselves and then destroy the cells to release the replicates. This process has a small amount of variation from one copy to another, and that is how a virus mutates. If one copy is more effective than the others because of the mutation then it replicates more, and spreads itself more effectively, this becoming a new strain of the virus. I have heard no cases of any viruses combining, especially since most viruses don't affect the same types of cells, and would never come into contact with one-another.

Even if two viruses infected the same cell, they would not be able to combine, because the process through which they replicate wouldn't make that possible.

Also, viruses seem to mutate so fast because they infect a large number of cells at a time, and in many cases, many organisms at a time when we're looking at them. Some viruses are more prone to mutation that others, end Ebola has a fairly low risk for rapid mutation.
 
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buckman110 said:
Apparently from what I have read and heard is it is airborne.
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No it's not. If it was legitimately airborne this would be a much worse scenario, but the virus is not currently airborne. It also, as I've said, has a very very low chance of becoming airborne.
 
wertydude37 said:
I'd like to know why it hasn't seemed to spread to the middle east, or someplace like china. Maybe I just haven't heard about it, but it seems odd that it they seem to have stayed ebola free (that I know of) while we have had a few cases in the us. I almost hope that ebola spreads to mexico, then maybe the government will get serious about protecting our border.
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If you were sick with something life-threatening and could purchase a plane ticket... would you go to Yemen for treatment? There is a reason why everyone comes to the US for medical services, even organized crime bosses with outstanding INTERPOL warrants.

Charr said:
Just want everyone to know this is NOT how viruses mutate.
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Thank god. Someone that isn't retarded. Welcome to the party.

Charr said:
No it's not. If it was legitimately airborne this would be a much worse scenario, but the virus is not currently airborne. It also, as I've said, has a very very low chance of becoming airborne.
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You will have to use diagrams and charts to demonstrate the difference between aerosol dispersion and airborne transmission.

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And yeah...no.
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Is it true that the government will suspend spraying chemtrails from commercial airliners because the toxicity of the mind control chemicals is impeding the mutation of hemorrhagic fevers into bipedal chimeras and a rapid spread of Ebola from monkey bites?
 
Demon613 said:
If you were sick with something life-threatening and could purchase a plane ticket... would you go to Yemen for treatment?

Is it true that the government will suspend spraying chemtrails from commercial airliners because the toxicity of the mind control chemicals is impeding the mutation of hemorrhagic fevers into bipedal chimeras and a rapid spread of Ebola from monkey bites?
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First, very good point with the medical treatment. You also have to consider the fact that many countries have regulations on people coming in from other countries that are heavier than ours (no really they do), and our country has a large number of people outside of our borders on a regular basis for a variety of reasons. People coming BACK into the country the primary concern right now, and they're likely to remain that way, as it takes time to get into the US, and people will likely show symptoms before they make the trip.

Secondly, I know this is a pretty serious thread and all, but that made me laugh too hard man. :D
 
Charr said:
First, very good point with the medical treatment. You also have to consider the fact that many countries have regulations on people coming in from other countries that are heavier than ours (no really they do), and our country has a large number of people outside of our borders on a regular basis for a variety of reasons. People coming BACK into the country the primary concern right now, and they're likely to remain that way, as it takes time to get into the US, and people will likely show symptoms before they make the trip.

Secondly, I know this is a pretty serious thread and all, but that made me laugh too hard man. :D
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If I were a doctor, nurse, journalist, et al. and I thought for half a second that I might be infected while in Africa... I would immediately get on a plane and fly to the biggest American city that I knew/trusted and head straight to the ER. If you stay in Africa you die. There's no question about that.

America is the land of gold and science/sorcery. If a cure for Ebola can be found it will be either in the United States, Japan, or Switzerland, and we both know which of those countries don't really restrict immigration.
 
Sosa said:
Hey demon, you wouldn't happen to be on duty right now...lol.
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Actually, I start my last day of a ten day vacation tomorrow. Then I rejoin the throngs of violent untermenschen that plague our crumbling society.

Ebola is the least of my concerns, truly.
 
Charr said:
Just want everyone to know this is NOT how viruses mutate.

Viruses replicate by forcing cells to produce copies of themselves and then destroy the cells to release the replicates. This process has a small amount of variation from one copy to another, and that is how a virus mutates. If one copy is more effective than the others because of the mutation then it replicates more, and spreads itself more effectively, this becoming a new strain of the virus. I have heard no cases of any viruses combining, especially since most viruses don't affect the same types of cells, and would never come into contact with one-another.

Even if two viruses infected the same cell, they would not be able to combine, because the process through which they replicate wouldn't make that possible.

Also, viruses seem to mutate so fast because they infect a large number of cells at a time, and in many cases, many organisms at a time when we're looking at them. Some viruses are more prone to mutation that others, end Ebola has a fairly low risk for rapid mutation.
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Here's an article outlining how the flu virus changes:

http://www.flu.gov/about_the_flu/virus_changes/

Antigenic Shift 1
A duck or other aquatic bird passes a bird flu strain to an intermediate host such as a chicken or pig.

A person passes a human strain of influenza A to the same chicken or pig.

When the viruses infect the same cell, the genes from the bird strain mix with genes from the human strain, making a new strain.

The new strain can spread from the intermediate host to humans.

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Sure sounds like they can (and do) infect the same cells to me. Or maybe flu.gov has it all wrong.

It is entirely possible (and probable) that Ebola will mutate. All viruses do. Who's to say Ebola couldn't mutate and become more transmissible by combining with something else?
 
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AntDog said:
I have no idea why, but I can't access the Ebola thread in the political section.


Since nobody touches their face with anything other than their hands, it's important to keep your hands sanitized and not to touch your face in between.
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I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but you have to be a paying member to access the Political Arena.


Keep your hands sanitized? Yeah, right. We can't even get people to wash their hands after pooping.

I have been curious about how many ebola viruses it would take to infect someone. Apparently, not many. I heard one doctor claim that as few a 5 or 6 would do the job.
The problem is that ebola is much smaller than a lot of other viruses and can go through what most people might think of as protective masks and clothing.
 
I say use a knuckle to press buttons and use your shirt between your hand
to actuate door knobs and handles gas pumps etc. carry your own pen to sign receipts. I've been doing this for years. I don't get sick very often.
 
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