economic collapse how to survive?

[bae]

Originally posted by Tightwad
A sad a tale as this leads to in time the military will visit where you live to see if
is worth bothering with. That's where the low profile comes in hard.

We're a small island miles off the mainland, with steep cliffs on most easy approaches to the island by sea. And, we have a small mountain which is the tallest spot around for many, many miles, so we have ample warning if someone is coming over.

Bummer.

 

[Six String Samurai]

Originally posted by Tightwad

Own a gun?? I don't and I won't. Not now. ANYONE who owns a
firearm will be the subject of an effort to remove those guns
and gun owners from the general population. Think they don't
know who you are?? Yeah, right. The FOI cards and ammo buying
records take care of that.

I'm not sure I'd really concern myself about this...at least not to the point of deciding not to own a gun at all for fear that someday it might cause me to be targeted.

While I do not doubt that sometime in the future there may be a concerted effort by the government further limit citizen's rights to own firearms I frankly can't see, even under Martial Law, the government deciding that it's resources are best used in trying to take guns away from the general population. Threre are just too many firearms in this country to attempt this. Records of ammo purchases are only going to get them so far. The simple fact is this...yes I could see some kind of "voluntary" gun surrender being introduced perhaps... but a well equipped military that could put the USA under martial law has nothing to fear from a citizen militia so why bother stiring things up by trying to bust in on individual gun owners? That isn't going to help them keep the peace because there are an awful lot of people in this country that would not take that lying down.

I'm not contridicting myself though. While I don't think that the military would have a great deal of trouble in crushing individual armed citizen or even militia groups if they wanted to I simply don't see these actions as a goal worth persuing during an emergency. It would be a public relations nightmare and it would cause the kind of response that would simply cause more unrest. If you are trying to put down unrest and have a nice calm populaiton you don't go door to door raiding private homes for little gain.

Frankly this is a pretty good reason for more people to own and learn how to use guns. If things ever get to the point where only a very elite few do own firearms then it would be easy to disarm those people, but if millions of people continue to remain armed the ability of any power to easily disarm us would be severly curtailed.

 

[psy-ops]

if you own a gun and are low profile then I doubt very much the military will be after you. not all guns are registered.

also America is huge, they can't be in every small town in the nation. I would bet most of the military would be used to keep in order in cities where the real problems would be.

I doubt they are gonna come to some small town where there is one group of people with guns. I think it will be up to communities to govern themselves and if there was a massive struggle of some sort then maybe the military will be called in.

remember our terrorist friends are stil out there waiting for this kind of the thing. there is no doubt that would be our governments first priority besides protecting the weathly. they would let all the poor people kill themselves off before they would try to go to all the towns and take guns away.

not a bad post for my 1000'd

 

[J. P. DEAN]

My take on this is an economic splat hurts everybody but rich more than poor because rich has more debts and poor has already learned to "make do" with less. I agree with those that say practice,practice,practice!!!!,because thats the answer to escape or extraction from almost any bad scene. However I think we have a severe handicap that those in the 1930s didnt have and that is the monstrous tracking abilty and resources of "Big Brother". For those of a mind to do so go to BackwoodsHome.com and look at their pages on Excutive Orders, some of which date back to the First World War. I dont want to come off as a parnoid anti-goverment nut case but when I began to look into it,it really scared the ever-lovin beejeezus out of me. My Dad lived thru the Depression era and was a WW2 vet, he used to tell us stories about those long gone times[I still miss him] and I think he would roll in his grave to see what has become of his beloved U.S.of A. There now, I have really put all my cards on the table this time,Thanks Yall for listening. 03:53 Texas time

 

[Tightwad]

J.P. thank's for the link to the exec orders as very few Americans
know they exist. I suppose the really hardcore look at America today
is that we are "free" as long as it suits big government to let us be so
as a way of population control. For those who don't understand the
deep, really deep, agenda of big governments world wide they will call
me a nut case and slip back into comfortable denial of the truth. I really
can't blame them for what choice have they given themselves by hiding
from what is.

Due process and civil liberies are cornerstones of our consitution. Nowhere
in it does it say otherwise. The romans used the gladiator games to keep the
population busy and the emporer in power. Modern times use mini-wars.

 

[J. P. DEAN]

Thanks for the support Tightwad. I want to add my opinion that a very few otherwise law abiding citizens armed and ready to follow the creed "My life for freedom" could have averted most if not all of the 9-11 attacks. myself, I'm so low that I'm not worthy to unlace the boondockers of the men whose creed I speak but I'll burn in Hell before I let any scumbag do harm to any innocent not matter what their race,creed,color,national origin or financial status. NUFF SAID!!!!

 

[J. P. DEAN]

This is Ali J.P.'s wife what was said about the Romans was very true, you see, they kept them busy with the games but also food and alcohol as a way to keep their minds off the world. The Roman empire fell due to their laziness and aloffness. Does anybody else see a parallel to modern society here?

 

[bae]

Originally posted by J. P. DEAN
My take on this is an economic splat hurts everybody but rich more than poor because rich has more debts and poor has already learned to "make do" with less.

I'll have to disagree with this. The truely wealthy don't tend to have much in the way of personal debt. They are likely in a position to contract their discretionary spending if need be, without digging into their capital reserves. They are also likely in a position to buy low, while everybody else is selling to raise funds to buy food and provide shelter.

We've had a huge economic downturn in my community. It has definitely hit the poor folks hardest. The wealthy here, if impacted significantly at all, are merely not upgrading their yacht this year, or holding off on building that McMansion for another quarter or two.

The wealthy here have also cut back significantly on their philanthropy the past year, which trickles down into less money being made available to help out the lower economic classes here. The receipts at the non-profit I help run are running about 50% compared to previous years. Ouch.

 

[psy-ops]

Bae, are the poorer members of your community gardening?

is it worth it for them to suppliment their income?

 

[bae]

Originally posted by chrisaloia
Bae, are the poorer members of your community gardening?

is it worth it for them to suppliment their income?

They are gardening extensively. We've opened up several community gardens this year for this purpose, in fact.

They also gather shellfish, catch crabs, prawns, and fish, and poach deer.

Doesn't supplement the income much (though the kids at my school are selling their produce from their garden at the Farmer's Market), but it does put food on the table.