EDC Question/Problem?

Bugs3x

Bugs3x

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Hi all. Am not sure whether this belongs in this forum or the general one.

Well, 36 days after ordering and being billed for it, my EDC finally arrived. Got the 154CM variety.

Had I not just gotten a CRKT S-2 a couple days ago, I might not have the concern I do. When I open my S-2, I hear a very distinct, solid SNAP. The locking part of the handle is fully engaged with the blade tang. You just know by looking at it that there is no chance that lock is coming undone until you do it on purpose.

The EDC gives an almost hollow little THUNK when I open it. At least 1/3, maybe closer to 40% of the handle lock bar is not in contact with the tang. Given a quite noticeable slant to the tang, it looks entirely possible to me that the right/wrong level of force/torque, whatever, might indeed cause the lock to slip.

You others that got the EDC, how much of your lock lines up with the tang? Do your locks line up completely with the tang? Has anyone had any failures, scares or whatever about the lock not being solid?

After waiting so bloody long to get this, am not anxious to send it back. It has already hit my interest once, and soon will again. If I send it back, will have paid 2 months interest before ever getting to use the knife.

Guess I'm hoping for either assurance that all of them line up like mine, or a definite, it is wrong send it back sort of message.

Thanks in advance,

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Asi es la vida

Bugs
 
I'm no knife genius, but I believe this to be the truth. If a frame lock locks up 100% solid, especially on a with a knife without an angled lock bar, that means that the blade will actually develop play as the blade and lock wears.

The locking bar and blade are angled on an EDC for a reason. As the blade and lock wear, the blade works its way along the angled locking bar. When it reaches 100% lockup, the blade play begins.

At least I believe this is the deal from reading the CR forum. I'm pretty confident that CRKT and Camillus both make good knives, so I'm not so worried about wear and tear. It is nice to know that my EDC has some extra mileage though.

Oh yah. My two 154CM EDCs had about a 60% lockup when they were brand new. My 420HC EDCs had about a 40% lockup.

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Bugs,

I don't like it if a brand new frame lock moves more than 60% of the way across the back of the blade. As others have said, there will be wear. I think the same of linerlocks.

Enjoy your S-2 and EDC.
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Steve-O
 
Thanks for your responses. I appreciate them.

As I indicated when I posted the thread, wasn't sure whether or not I had a problem. I feel fairly certain that if I'd not gotten the S-2 before, I'd not have been worried in the slightest.

Am not sure at all what happened, but this morning, the first time I opened the EDC, the lock engaged by probably 80% of the lock. I doubt I opened it more than a couple dozen times yesterday, with no appreciable changes, but then today, it moved over farther. I think maybe some credit is deserved by the Tuf Glide.

Since the majority of my knives are liner locks, I feel I have a good sense of whether or not there is a safe level of engagement. The rather soft sound of the opening "snap" worried me some -- not only in comparison to the S-2, but also with the majority of my linerlocks. That sound has even changed today. It is much more crisp a sound.

So, I guess it was a tempest in a teapot. Much ado about nothing. Nevertheless, I do truly appreciate the responses I rec'd, particularly from Will. Having the company be so supportive on the forums is very important to me, and I put a lot of faith in a company that is so open about addressing problems.

Am a newbie so far as Camillus is concerned. Only other Camillus knife I have is the ArcLite. That may well change.

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Asi es la vida

Bugs
 
Liner locks, and to a lesser extent integral locks, sometimes have a quick break-in period where the parts seem to settle in to each other, so initially it sometimes appears as if there's very fast wear-in the first few dozen times you open it. A liner lock maker who I particularly trust told me he makes his knives with the liner just engaging the blade tang, then opens it a bunch of times until it wears all the way in. By the time the customer sees it, the lock is fully engaging the blade tang, and wear will be slow after that.

Joe
 
Bugs,

Though we may have lost much, the acuity of the human senses still amazes me. The observation of the sound a lock makes or the perception of sharpness on a blade being 'thumbed' can be very close to the truth.

And Joe - I have often wondered if this was the case...they can't just make them and package them...makers can't do that!

Perhaps we haven't lost all our senses.
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Steve-O

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