edc sticks?

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Hey guys, I was looking for a rundown of various pocket sticks etc that can be easily carried on person everyday, and in which the feel and flow of match or come close to escrima sticks... i've carried a knife since i was 13, for utility purposes mainly, but in self defense you don't always want to just whip out a knife! any suggestions? thanks, pheroze

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"See you in hell, Candy Boy!"
 
Hi, D. Dirt. I've only had an introduction to the FMA, so please forgive me if I'm not answering your question very well...

Seeing you live in Brooklyn, I figure the laws are pretty much anti-self-defense, so ASP batons and other dedicated weapons are probably out. Also, you mention you are interested in "pocket sticks," so unless they would be expandable, nothing will give you the reach of even a short escrima stick.

So I see fistloads, yawara-type sticks, and the "reinforced fist" concepts as being your interest here. Just gotta try out different implements and consider their legality, with a nice "cover story" being necessary with some things.

Here's what we show students in our S-D classes at OSU:

MiniMaglites, either AA or AAA. They are flashlights, no cover story needed! Same with the cheaper but extremely rugged LumiLites in AA (either hard plastic or rubber covered). Got more money and want a brighter light, get a longer sized SureFire or a Streamlight Stinger. Streamlight also has a 3 LED "batonlight" out now, but some cops might consider it more a "baton" than a "light" (?).

A one or two pound dumbbell, especially with a nice, friendly rubber coating is only a few bucks and should go anywhere you need to strengthen your "bad arm" per "doctor's orders"
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. I should think these could go anywhere and they aren't too big. But they hit hard! Some of the fancy ones come with a front "guard" which you could straight punch with complete confidence, too. No chance of broken hand with that.

Keychains could be bought or fashioned: Kubotans are not legal everywhere, but maybe a fancy, decorative wooden work of art which features your name or name of favorite sports team or cultural activity in 3D block letters. Say it was a gift and has much sentimental value, etc.

Full size MagLites aren't too difficult to carry around, but may not be accepted everwhere in the daytime. I would stick with 2C through 4C to keep a better grip on them and not look too obvious.

Flutes. A traditional improvised weapon! Haven't thought about this too much, but you might check into it. I did buy a cheap recorder from a local music shop. Unfortunately, it comes apart in 3 pieces, but the longer piece is still a servicable reinforced fist. Recommmendation: learn to play a few tunes first! If you can find a good sturdy flute and can become a "beginning musician," this could be your full-sized EDC stick! I do remember someone who makes a hi-impact plastic flute designed for this purpose. If anyone knows the web address, I would appreciate it! I feel the tune thing growing in my soul!
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Carpenter's pencil. Twice as thick as a regular pencil, and only about fifty cents at a hardware store. Carry it unsharpened, and you've got a nice sturdy, lightweight, squared ended yawara.

Punch II four oz. pepper spray. Don't know if there are size restrictions in N.Y., but I believe sprays are now legal there. The four oz. unit is 6.5" long, while the 2 oz. unit is 4.25" long. Both are a hand-filling 1 and 3/8" diameter. If the OC spray doesn't stop them (which it probably won't if they really want to hurt you), you still have a nice, lightweight "palmstick" with one relatively sharp-cornered end on it. The 4 oz. unit would be best, IMO. I wear my 2 oz. Punch II on my belt, slipped into a cut off piece of mountain bike inner tube. I can get to it very quickly.

I'll stop now, but you can look for other things which fit your fancy.

BTW, don't forget the big legal sticks: Crook top canes! Yep, I've been carrying a CaneMaster's standard cane much of the time.

Karl



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"Celebrate the diversity of inclusive, self-esteem nurturing, multicultural weapons arts." Karl Spaulding, The Safety Guy
 
Hey Karl,
Thanks for the ideas. I'm a bit vague myself on the carry laws in NY (I know all the knife ones, but I don't know other weapons restrictions).
I like the flute idea
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I'm a working musician, and my girlfriend is actually a classical flautist who's been playing the flute since she was 7.
I've heard about the maglite idea too... I'll take a look at them.
I play constantly and am about to start touring about 7 or 8 months of the year for the next few years... and I've seen a lot of insane stuff go down at shows (aggressive music fans arent always the most controlled), I was at a friends show in Queens a month and a half ago, in which one of the opening bands singers and friends got stabbed... I was backstage at the time, but it just reaffirmed that this stuff is not uncommon at all. Like I said I've always carried a knife (had a knife fascination for as long as I can remember, learning how to make my own now), but not really for defense, more for utility... but if you get in a knife fight... you're definitely going to jail. Which is why I'm looking for something to compliment my Arnis training nicely (I've only been doing it two months, but these two months have been very eye opening).
I did some searching on the web, and found this page:
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Rink/8337/index.html
His palm sticks look really interesting? Anyone ever used them?
Anyway, thanks! Pheroze

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"See you in hell, Candy Boy!"
 
Pheroze,
Those custom swords and palm sticks look nice. I'd stay away from carrying the palm sticks because I bet most cops are familiar with the "yawara" concept, and they may even be listed as prohibited under your state code.

Go for the flute! I just can't remember the website for the plastic or acrylic or whatever combat flutes and practice sticks that I saw. I think they were clear, and could be had in a "frosted" finish. Hopefully, you can find them in the archives or someone else can remember the guy who makes them.

But the LumiLites make great reinforced fist tools, as well as being cheap and rugged and bright for their size/cost. For about five bucks, the rubber covered 2AA "Z-Lites" are fairly water resistant, and the regular cheap krypton 2AA lights are around $2.50 at Target stores. Just don't waste your money on the 1AA minilite, the pin bulb doesn't put out much light and they are too small for your purpose, anyway.

Good luck,
Karl

[This message has been edited by Safety Guy (edited 05-10-2001).]
 
I have several of Michael Enad's palmsticks...they are excellent and not very expensive at all! He can custom make them; in a bunch of hardwoods- mine are American Ironwood but there are various kinds that he has available. I put a finger loop of paracord on it...I think if you made a "sap-like" thumb cord on the bottom-side of the stick you could access it quicker than most palm sticks (or just not have the finger cord on at all- it would just have to be grabbed)...He was quick and even sent me a nice free stick to show me what a different kind of wood would look like that I had some questions about...
Okay, regarding flutes and sticks- I am teaching myself bamboo flute (shakuhachi), so these flutes would be handy to have...the site is:
http://www.stickman-escrima.com/products.htm

I think the solid sticks he carries are much better, but for in a pinch the drilled (flute) ones are more than capable of taking care of business....of course I'm really into Newt's WA-1 sticks nowadays, but you can carry the Fluteman's stick around a lot easier. Re: the palmsticks- if you do have Michael make one with the thumb-loop down near the bottom for quicker access I'm sure that LEOs would view it as a sap-like device. One other thought- if metal isn't a problem...you can try a padlock (the round ones give a wallup and you also protect your middle finger for punching with the "loop." I keep a carabiner (spelling?) handy- it's large enough to use as a modified brass knuckle and wicked for hammer-fists. It also has a brass gnarled locking sleeve on the part that opens to protect it from accidental openings- very important for mountain climbers- and also handy cause you can hit with that part and the carabiner won't open inward on your fist (I hope i explained that right!)...
 
I have a couple of Michael Enad's palm sticks too. They are very well made. I like the models made from the heavier woods(I have 2 made from African Wenge). There is also the average kubotan. I've seen a lot of people carrying them openly in NYC, but whether they are legal or not I couldn't tell you. I'd recommend that you buy Guro Ted Lucaylucay's "Pocket Stick" video if you are planning on getting a palm stick. There's lots of interesting training info in it. By the way, where do you train in Arnis in NYC? I train at Modern Arnis Domog.

Kelvin


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Have you ever considered a rattan walking stick? The different styles of tops, crook/knob/T, offer various types of defensive uses. The walking stick is an all around tool as it lends itself to a wide variety of techniques such as stick, staff, sword and bayonet. It is also perfectly legal around the world. I've taken mine everywhere from Alaska to Florida and from the Caribbean and Mexico to Hawaii and have never been looked at twice.

Check out the Cane/Stick/Knife Forum at Knife Forums. Look up Keatings stuff at Comtech and then Cane Masters. My instructor makes some beautiful defensive canes and they're very reasonably priced.

Walking sticks are perfectly legal everywhere and you always have them in your hand.

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All you need is love... a sharp blade and a full clip
 
Hey Guys, Thanks for the help and input. I contacted Michael Enad and am getting a palm stick or two.
Kelvin, I train at the same place... with Sifu Doug Pierre, I'm there on Mon and Wed, not Sundays usually because I have practice then. I think I met you once (you asked if I worked at Rising Dragon)...
Pheroze

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"See you in hell, Candy Boy!"
 
If you are walking around with any kind of daypack or gym bag, consider an old squash racquet. I'm seen some really nasty accidental injuries on the court. They are a lot lighter, faster, and more compact than a tennis racquet. About the length of an eskrima stick. Sometimes old ones can be found cheap in second-hand sporting goods stores.

DPD
 
Good one, DPD! I'd forgotten about playing around with one of those years ago. It was missing it's rubber edge guard, BTW. Perfect, since there's no need to protect anything on a BG's face!

Other types of racquets might be good to check out as well. I'm also wondering if using the "sporting" (stringy) part would be good for snagging a knife?

Karl
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Disrespect Dirt:
Hey Guys, Thanks for the help and input. I contacted Michael Enad and am getting a palm stick or two.
Kelvin, I train at the same place... with Sifu Doug Pierre, I'm there on Mon and Wed, not Sundays usually because I have practice then. I think I met you once (you asked if I worked at Rising Dragon)...
Pheroze

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Oh OK
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Yeah, you were there on a Sunday a couple of weeks ago. Damn, I miss being able to train 4 days a week.

Kelvin


 
Safety Guy,

I think you're correct that the strings could be used to momentarily trap a knife. However, I'm not sure I'd want to use the squash racquet like that unless the knife was coming at me at very close range and I couldn't evade it. If there was any opportunity to evade the knife with footwork and either destroy the hand or attack the head with the racquet, that would be my choice. My footwork is poor but I think Animal is right when he says that your feet are your best chance for survival.

Thanks for the new idea,

DPD.
 
You're very welcome, DPD. I'm always looking to adapt sporting equipment to survival purposes!

And hardware store goods. And novelties and toys. And anything you can take almost anywhere without someone arresting you.

Karl
 
Safety Guy,

Your comments reminded me of a demo that Guro Inosanto used to do, in which he would break a one-inch pine board with a thick roll of holiday wrapping paper or a tightly rolled magazine (I think he used a larger one, like Life). As he said, just about anyone can do it with a little practice.

Another utilitarian carry item that I have is a set of hardwood chopsticks. If you get the Japanese style they will usually be more tapered than most Chinese sticks and therefore penetrate more easily. Tuhon Chris Sayoc can even throw them effectively. Best of all, if you ask my favorite Asian restaurant, my wide carcass has a totally valid reason for carrying them!

Thanks again,

DPD.
 
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