<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fudo:
I don't think that anyone is attacking the EDC.</font>
a)
I didn't say "attacking", and b) counting from your previous post (inclusive) to my previous post, there are seven posts; all but one of which
are rejecting this knife out of hand based upon the reputation of the steel in other knives, using phrases like "why couldn't they go with something decent".
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fudo:
Some of these knives are made of materials that are generally considered to be better than 420HC. Some examples of these (from my own collection) might be the Spyderco Calypso Jr. lwt.-VG-10...</font>
Taking the Calypso Jr. example, Spyderco apportioned most of their money into the cost of the blade stock and of cutting and grinding it into form. And to keep the overall cost down, they used comparatively inexpensive parts and techniques for the rest of the knife: molded FRN handle, non-adjustable riveted pivot pin, and a lockback mechanism (not that I'm complaining, the Calypso Jr. is a terrific knife and Spyderco are very good at what they do -- it's just a different approach).
Camillus, in comparison, has apportioned a larger part of their money into a stronger, more intricate steel handle, a frame lock mechanism requiring tighter manufacturing tolerances, and an adjustable pivot; and they used a blade steel that costs less, but, more importantly, is less costly to fashion into a blade. They did this with the belief that they can make 420-HC work
well enough for the intended purposes through careful heat treat, combined with Darrel's blade geometry.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fudo:
Remember, critical thinking is a virtue, not a personality flaw.</font>
On the contrary, I deeply value critical thinking. But I don't see how rejecting a design as unworkable, before anyone's had a chance to try it out, qualifies as critical thinking.
The knife was designed by a knifemaker whose knowledge and talents are well respected around here, and he seems to be pleased with the end result; I'm inclined to give the knife a chance to prove itself. That said, I suspect this knife is more squarely aimed at the mass consumer market, rather than us knife afficionados. I'll be very interested to see the reviews once they're in people's hands, and I might very well get one, because I like Darrel's design, but all this talk is making me yearn for one of his hand-built CF EDC's.
Nimrod: Uh, what Firebat said (was gonna say the same thing, but he got there first). Will also pointed out in
another thread, "
Usually, the steels that have to be laser cut are also MUCH harder to machine and grind." and "
If we would have put a laser cut blade in the knife, it could have moved the price up 40% or more, just for 440c."
I'll reiterate that do I wish they'd aimed for a higher price point; my ideal would be the outline and blade geometry of Darrel's 3.5" custom EDC, done up in roughly the same materials and construction details as Spyderco's Starmate. I'd happily fork over, say, $150 or so for something like that. But the Camillus EDC looks like it could be a nice little knife for the price, and I look forward to seeing how it performs when it gets into the hands of us ELU's.
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Or is this another item for the "wait until the SHOT Show" file?
