Recommendation? Edge pro proffesional vs. Wicked edge

I wonder if you found a cheap stone coarser than 100 that worked well at hogging off material to set the bevel would prolong the life of your stones?

I have a Tsprof and I find 90 percent of the work is setting the new angle, the rest is just making pretty and refining.
 
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People were questioning the OP's longevity of WEPS stone life. He's sharpening 350-500 knives per year from what we can tell. That's about how long a set of diamond plates will last. I don't think DMTs will do any better. I find Edge Pro stones to last a long time (others will undoubtedly disagree). I have glued unmounted EP stones onto WEPS handles (w/o stones). I need to experiment to see how long they last. This might be the best and cheapest for him to use for so many knives. Stones from Congress Tools might be a good option as well.
 
Ah, you're the second person to recommend me Congress stones now (unless you're fullfrontalnoodly on reddit). I've been thinking about trying them. On one hand, they may wear out quickly and have to be replaced. On the other hand, they're like $5. That right there is enough incentive to at least try them. Have you tried them? How do they wear compared to a stone like a naniwa professional stone. (Naniwa and the wicked edge are all I have to compare to)
 
cbwx34 said:
Pretty easy to mount some other stones too... for example, I've used a 2x6 DMT stone on my EP, with no modifications... just clamped it in.
A couple of other 'advantages' to the EP (IMO)... it's easier to see what you're doing, and using a platform vs. a clamp makes it much more versatile. Just seems a bit more "natural" way to sharpen, if that makes sense.
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I have also used the 2x6 DMT stone on my EP...works great...particularly for reprofiling. Have used my EP for about 5 yrs or so...great piece of equipment.
BTW...mounting a strong magnet under the blade plate will GREATLY reduce your finger-holding "labor." The magnet does 90% of the work...and ALSO keeps the blade steady while you work.
NOTHING has increased my love for the EP more than the use of the Magnet under the blade-support plate.
 
I have a 50 grit stone for really dull or damaged blades, but I hate using it because it takes forever to remove the scratches when the higher grit diamond plates are wearing out.
 
I know everyone's sharpening situation is different. In saying that, I think most people sharpen 3"-4" pocket knives with their wicked edge system. I sharpen 2 or 3 12" knives a week. The estimated durability of the stones would be different for me because I'm sharpening a lot of much longer knives as well.
 
wvdavidr said:
People were questioning the OP's longevity of WEPS stone life. He's sharpening 350-500 knives per year from what we can tell. That's about how long a set of diamond plates will last. I don't think DMTs will do any better. I find Edge Pro stones to last a long time (others will undoubtedly disagree). I have glued unmounted EP stones onto WEPS handles (w/o stones). I need to experiment to see how long they last. This might be the best and cheapest for him to use for so many knives. Stones from Congress Tools might be a good option as well.
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Hi,
Lubricated?
How much pressure (or force)?
How many passes per knife?
What happens after the stones are done at "last", shiny patches where the diamonds are missing? Something else? Got pics?
 
bucketstove said:
Hi,
Lubricated?
How much pressure (or force)?
How many passes per knife?
What happens after the stones are done at "last", shiny patches where the diamonds are missing? Something else? Got pics?
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Re: WEPS diamond 'stones,' I believe Josh at Razoredgeknives said they last around 400-500 knives typically. He sharpens all day (professionally) with them. I'm sure it will vary. I just don't think the OP's need to replace them yearly is out of line, considering the number of knives he is sharpening. That's pretty expensive.
 
bucketstove said:
Hi,
Lubricated?
How much pressure (or force)?
How many passes per knife?
What happens after the stones are done at "last", shiny patches where the diamonds are missing? Something else? Got pics?
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Not lubricated
Pressure - spreading butter on toast
Passes - varies depending on scratch removal. 30 per side maybe?
I can tell when the stone is done when the grit im on takes way, way too long to go through. Spending 45 minutes apexing at 150 grit means they're toast usually. By now it's pretty evident when the stone is worn out. It doesn't remove scratches from the previous grit, and it feels like its skating across the blade and not digging in.
 
facewizard13 said:
Not lubricated
Pressure - spreading butter on toast
Passes - varies depending on scratch removal. 30 per side maybe?
I can tell when the stone is done when the grit im on takes way, way too long to go through. Spending 45 minutes apexing at 150 grit means they're toast usually. By now it's pretty evident when the stone is worn out. It doesn't remove scratches from the previous grit, and it feels like its skating across the blade and not digging in.
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Hi,
Well ,
soft butter or frozen butter?
I dunno , butter for me seems to go from 0 to 2lb of force....
but

45min with 150 grit and not apexed?
how wide are the bevels ?
how much stone is touching the bevels (1inch?)

I think you ought to try pressing a little harder
just hard enough so it stops skating and starts grabbing,
and no harder than that

the wider the bevels , the coarser the diamond, the harder you have to press


3 months = 13 weeks * 10 knives * 30 passes = 3900 passes
500 knives * 30 passes = 15000 passes

contrast that to

about half a million passes , lubed , very low force (1/2 lbs, 1.5 to 3 psi)


wvdavidr said:
Re: WEPS diamond 'stones,' I believe Josh at Razoredgeknives said they last around 400-500 knives typically. He sharpens all day (professionally) with them. I'm sure it will vary. I just don't think the OP's need to replace them yearly is out of line, considering the number of knives he is sharpening. That's pretty expensive.
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Um .... got link to more details ?
 
bucketstove said:
Hi,
Well ,
soft butter or frozen butter?
I dunno , butter for me seems to go from 0 to 2lb of force....
but

45min with 150 grit and not apexed?
how wide are the bevels ?
how much stone is touching the bevels (1inch?)

I think you ought to try pressing a little harder
just hard enough so it stops skating and starts grabbing,
and no harder than that

the wider the bevels , the coarser the diamond, the harder you have to press


3 months = 13 weeks * 10 knives * 30 passes = 3900 passes
500 knives * 30 passes = 15000 passes

contrast that to

about half a million passes , lubed , very low force (1/2 lbs, 1.5 to 3 psi)



Um .... got link to more details ?
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It's around 400, they are some of the most durable stones on the market imho. I've tried dmt and atoma's as well and they don't come close in longevity.

When I sharpen I use a sponge with soapy water on it exclusively now. This does 2 things keeps the stones operating at max proficiency by keeping the pores from getting clogged, and it also prevents you from breathing in the abrasive and metal dust. The soap prevents water from dripping every where.

Oh and I don't use sweeping passes ... Ever. I use scrubbing motions on all but the final passes which I use the stone to cut down and into the edge (edge leading) setting the rake angle to be maximized for a drawing slice towards the handle.
 
razor-edge-knives said:
It's around 400, they are some of the most durable stones on the market imho. I've tried dmt and atoma's as well and they don't come close in longevity.

When I sharpen I use a sponge with soapy water on it exclusively now. This does 2 things keeps the stones operating at max proficiency by keeping the pores from getting clogged, and it also prevents you from breathing in the abrasive and metal dust. The soap prevents water from dripping every where.

Oh and I don't use sweeping passes ... Ever. I use scrubbing motions on all but the final passes which I use the stone to cut down and into the edge (edge leading) setting the rake angle to be maximized for a drawing slice towards the handle.
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Hi
How much pressure (or force on how many mm wide bevels)?
How many passes per knife?
 
bucketstove said:
Hi
How much pressure (or force on how many mm wide bevels)?
How many passes per knife?
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Really hard to say as it varies. I'm generally pressing semi hard when using the 100-200 grits then lighten up as it goes up in grit. Generally it's not really wide bevels though.
 
razor-edge-knives said:
Really hard to say as it varies. I'm generally pressing semi hard when using the 100-200 grits then lighten up as it goes up in grit. Generally it's not really wide bevels though.
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Hi,
you might be able to relate
about 1lb is what it takes to turn my fingertips white
(the blood is forced out of the capilaries)
about the same I use for toothbrushing
thats
Take two fingers and press them against a table,
start gently and press a little harder every few seconds
until that the skin under the end of your fingernails turns white,
thats about 1lb, pressing harder wont turn them whiter
about half-white is .5 lb :)
 
So you think the wicked edge paddles are the best on the market? I can't financially support replacing all the diamond stones anymore, so I need to find an alternative
 
If you don't want to glue Edgepro or Congress Tools stones onto WEPS paddles, how about the EzeSharp? It's a clamp-style rod guided sharpener that uses full-sized stones. You can use your choice of oil or water stones, 2x8. You clamp the knife in and flip it (like the KME). You will need a marker and Angle Cube. It is much cheaper to use than the WEPS in the long run. I use mine mostly for long blades that are hard to do with the WEPS and Edge Pro.
 
facewizard13 said:
Oi...you never responded about the Congress stones. Tell me about your experience with them.
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I have not used Congress stones. I decided to try Edge Pro stones (unmounted) glued to WEPS paddles instead. If you use the search function, there is lots of info. here on the Moldmaster and ruby stones. I do suspect they will be slow-cutting compared to the diamonds on WEPS.. The EP stones are.
 
Well, to replace the weps diamond stones I use the most is $220, and the Congress stones to replace those grits would be like $30
 
Does all the stone debris from whetstones cause any problems with the clamp assembly? With the diamonds the only debris is from the steel being removed.
 
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