edge quench

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I see the term edge quenched used from time to time.

I am a student right (without a teacher) learning to make knives.

Now what I want to know is. When I quench a blade and I just dunk it into the oil . that would be just a regular quench right ? And if I just had a pan of quench oil and only put the edge in that would be edge quenched ?

If I am thinking this through that would mean the spine is not quenched now wouldnt that make the knife brittle in that area ? or would the temper take care of that even though the blade was not fully quenched.

And lastly what would be the prefered method for say a tactical style or a blade that one could expect to be used for real heavy untraditional ways of using a knife.
 
Edge quench is where you heat up the edge (depending on the thickness of the blade but around 1/3 to under 1/2 of the blade from the edge up) to non magnetic and then quench it. This only hardens the edge and gives you a soft spine.

You can also do a full quench and draw the spine back with an oxy to achieve the same thing.

Matt
 
Some heat only the edge and quench the whole blade, others heat the entire piece and only quench the edge. If you choose this method I would avoid using a pan. You need lots of oil to displace heat. Instead, use a tank with a limiter shelf made of wire so the oil is still free to circulate. I would also use a sawing motion to agitate. after the initial quench you need to dunk the rest of the blade into the oil as well... or the spine will auto-temper the edge.

You should read through the stickies to familiarize yourself with the principles of heat treat. Judging from your questions, I don't think you have a fundamental grasp, yet. That's okay, though... discovery is the fun part!:thumbup:
 
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What I have been doing using a two brick is heating to non magnetic (1084) and dunking into a large container of quench oil. and then just doing two cycles of tempering in the 400 degree range. I was mostly wondering if just quenching the edge was gong to give me a better blade for say chopping or prying all the bad things to do with a knife. Or if just doing what I have been all along is fine.
 
The stickies cover it in detail, and you should read all the metallurgical stickies, but here is a super simplified description of HT.

The structure (atomic arrangement) of the steel you are working on determines how hard and tough it will be.
When shaping the blade the steel is annealed, and is soft enough to file and shape. All work on shaping is done before HT.

When you heat the steel above 1350F, it becomes AUSTENITE.

When you cool the steel one of two things will happen. 1) If cooled fast enough the austenite will convert to MARTENSITE, which is the hard structure knives are made from. 2) If cooled too slow, the austenite will convert into soft PEARLITE. This won't hold an edge.

After the hardening, the martensite will be very brittle, and the blade will need to be TEMPERED, which makes it tougher and brings the hardness down to a usable point.


In a full quench, the entire blade is heated about 100 degrees above 1350F ( where it becomes non-magnetic), and held there long enough for the austenite to become ready for the quench. 1450F is the normal temperature for hardening most simple carbon steels. The entire blade is plunged, usually tip first, into a tank of quenchant to cool it down fast enough to become martensite. The quenchant needs to be fast enough for the steel type used, but not too fast ,or the blade may crack. For some carbon steels, Canola oil will work. Many new makers use it on their first knives. There are commercial quenchants made for quenching knives, and these are the best choice when you are ready for that step. Some steel types, like 1084, 1095, W1, and W2 need a fast quenchant.

In a partial quench, sometimes called an edge quench, only part of the blade is submerged in the oil. This makes the submerged area convert into martensite, and the exposed area convert into pearlite. There needs to be enough oil to pull the heat away fast enough so the still hot exposed area does not make the edge too soft. A shallow pan of oil won't work well. A long tank, like a turkey roaster, with a piece of screen set on risers so the blade will only go in about 1/2" is what most folks who do this use. Trying to do it by eye will get poor results. After about 10-20 seconds, the whole blade is placed under the oil to suck the rest of the heat from the hot spine.
Some makers use a big torch ( welding torch with a rosebud tip) to heat only the edge and when it is a bit above non-magnetic, do the edge quench.

Some makers like an edge quench and some don't. It is a matter of personal preference mainly, but there is a metallurgical reason for doing a full quench. Martensite is stronger than pearlite. If you want a softer spine and a harder edge, do a full quench and then after the tempering, place the edge of the blade in a shallow pan of water ( a cookie sheet works fine for this) ,and use a torch to heat the spine to near 600F. It will turn blue at that temperature. The edge under the water will stay hard. This will soften the spine a lot more than the edge, and is popular for rugged use camp knives.
Another reason that a full quench can be better is that you have control over the blade temperature at the time of the quench. Heating the blade with a torch to heat only the edge is guess work about how hot it really is ,and if the edge is evenly heated. Heating the entire blade is more accurate and easier to regulate. Also, some steels need to sit at full temperature for up to 10 minutes before the quench ( this allows the alloy ingredients to re-dissolve) and that is nearly impossible to do with a torch.
 
Thank you Stacy..That was what I was looking for. The stickies are great info but sometimes it all becomes a blur to someone new to heat treating and somtimes I start reading and I forget the specific question I wanted answers for. Thank again Mark
 
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