Education on what to look out for

3Guardsmen

3Guardsmen

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Somebody on another forum found this site, so I can't take any of the credit. I'm sure some of these knives have already been hitting the popular auction sites, so I thought it would be helpful for my fellow knifenuts to be able to see what to look out for.

Be sure to check the other pages, too (there are close to 200 pages). Beware though, it's very upsetting!:mad::barf:

http://http://www.yjkk.com/english/product.asp?offset=330

Oh, right! Like Buck really makes a Benchmade/Snody style folder!:rolleyes: This really sickens me!:thumbdn:
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The Buck Machete?
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Regards,
3G

P.S. If you are a Buck, Emerson, Spyderco, Cold Steel, CRKT, or Benchmade fan, you really should take a look at some of the knives on this site so you'll be able to know a fake when you see one!
 
Thanks for the heads up. That wharncliffe Buck doesn't look like bad design other than the ugly jimping on the spine. Looks like a nice wharncliffe blade on a Rukus type body.
 
Wow..... Many of the knives shown are exact replicas , such as the USMC Ka-Bar fighting knife.

What I'm wondering is , they obviously have a factory to make all these replicas , or close replicas , why not just come up with their own designs and try to get some respect in the knife market ?
Instead of ripping off others and automatically losing any and all respect.

A lot of those like like the same hardware that M-Tech uses.
 
rebeltf said:
Wow..... Many of the knives shown are exact replicas , such as the USMC Ka-Bar fighting knife.

What I'm wondering is , they obviously have a factory to make all these replicas , or close replicas , why not just come up with their own designs and try to get some respect in the knife market ?
Instead of ripping off others and automatically losing any and all respect.

A lot of those like like the same hardware that M-Tech uses.
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Because then they'd have to market it. If they just post a site with all those pictures, an unsuspecting person might mistaken them for the real thing & think they're getting a great deal.

It's easy & relatively cheap to do it that way. I'm sure the large U.S. knife companies spend quite a bit of $$ for advertising.
 
But I'm sure the prices are so much cheaper than the originals that I could buy 10, use them and throw them away and still save money. :eek: ;)

On their page 19, they have a Spyderfly copy that is sold all over the US. US customs won't permit the original so you might as well buy the Chinese copy, right?

sal
 
Thanks for taking the time to post this info 3Guardsmen. Somewhere someone will buy one thinking they are getting the real thing only to wind up dissapointed because they either realize they got a knockoff, or end up pissed at the real company because they don't know the difference between fake and real. It is sad.:barf:
 
Sal Glesser said:
On their page 19, they have a Spyderfly copy that is sold all over the US. US customs won't permit the original so you might as well buy the Chinese copy, right?

sal
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What is up with that? They allow balis imported sometimes???
 
Just a thought, but since Sal posted in this thread, I thought I might as well ask. Have there been many problems with contracted knife manufacturers in China stealing designs from the knife companies here that contract them? I'm thinking, if a US knife company contracts with a manufacturer over there to make them a line of knives, what's to stop said Chinese manufacturer from stealing the designs and specs and making/selling a knock-offs and counterfeits, especially if that company has access to the logo design specs of the American manufacturer?

I have heard, due to the way the current law reads, that it is next to impossible to go after the overseas manufacturers of these knock-offs. If that is the case, it would certainly seem that having knives made in China is a really risky venture. Of course that might also explain why I've read, here on the forums, that both Kershaw/Kai Cutlery and Spyderco (Byrd) own their respective Chinese factories. After seeing what I saw on that website, I would make certain I bought the factory that manufactured my knives over there, if I owned a knife company.

Regards,
3G
 
Hi 3G.

Yes it is risky. designs are stolen regularly, but not necessarily by the manufacturer making the knives for the US company. In fact the maker is least likely to steal the design because he's altready making the model and already has a customer. Eric and I visited many factories. We could see our designs in their displays and catalogs. Most of the time, they do not even know where the design came from. Someone saw it somewhere, they liked the look so they made their own.

Many of these are prompted by US companies.

Yes it is difficult to impossible to stop this design theft.

There is a Gunting copy being made in China (we assume). It uses the wrong clip and its a linerlock, not a compression lock. But it does say Spyderco, Golden Colorado, USA on the blade and it includes Brams tag.

Spyderco does not own its own factory in China. We work with selected makers. But one must be careful in selection. We have a good reputation worldwide for quality and long term loyalty. They would like to work with us, so they try hard to please us.

The core problem is that there are more makers than customers demand. All trying to be successful. It will only get worse.

sal
 
Sal,

Thank you for the insight. I hate to see talented makers' and designers' products getting copied. The fact that some people are brazen enough to even copy the original designer/manufacturer's logo makes my blood boil!

Regards,
3G

P.S. Keep fighting the good fight, my friend!:thumbup:
 
Say bye bye to knife collecting. I am serious.

I used to deal in antique toys. No more. The market was killed by Mike's Train House copying almost every desirable toy and those who were not expert or just wanted one for decoration (looks) were just as happy with the copies.

This WILL stop knife collecting in its tracks.

Some may scoff, but it will happen.

I used to run 4 page ads on toys in magazines that have now just ceased publication.

The public wants CHEAP!!!!

That's what they will buy.

Too bad.

I tried to organize the antique dealers to get toys included in the Hobby Protection Act, but no one cared to put in the time.

This is a sad occurrence.

:(:(:(
 
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