Effect of CITES ban on wood crossing national borders? Implications for knifemaking?

SO MUCH THIS!! Banning stuff is seldom the answer. Whether ivory, rosewoods, or whatever, I have very little faith in a government solution. All I expect is more restrictions and more red tape here, instead of dealing with the problem at the source. What are the Guatemalans, Mexicans, African nations doing to save their own trees and elephants?

So what you're saying is, our government shouldn't take action, but those of other countries should, correct? You have little faith in a government solution, but other governments should seek solutions and take action.
The current reality is that we have international treaties and agreements that are an attempt to bring sanity to worldwide conditions. Chinese organizations can and will take every possible action to keep the rare materials flowing into their part of the world, including widespread poaching of logs and animals, and murderous enforcement of their desires. People are dying over this stuff every day, in other words. The governments of small nations are no match for that by themselves.
I totally agree that it makes little sense at first look to crack down on us, the American knifemakers, as part of controlling what other nations are doing- we're happy to pay a little more to have products from properly managed forests.
The problem is, we seem to have a choice between restrictions that don't make sense (for us) and the complete elimination of entire classes of valuable trees and animals.
Finally, though, the Chinese central government has shown some willingness to work with us- perhaps there's hope.
 
This is actually not all that new. Remember that even before CITES put Brazilian rosewood on the list, various nations has banned or heavily regulated some materials. Cuban/Caribbean aka "real" mahogany (Swietenia Mahogani)is a good example. IIRC, it has been regulated since the late 1950's. About the only way you can get "new"lumber is either if a tree gets blown down, killed by lightning or has to be removed for some construction project in the Florida Keys or from plantation wood planted by the Spanish long ago in the Pacific. Otherwise, you are going have to scrounge for secret stash "NOS" logs or lumber that has been in the country for decades, much like we have to do for non "stump" wood Brazilian rosewood. Even though its harvest is heavily regulated and much it "shade grow" plantation wood from coffee and tea operations, I wonder how long it will take for East Indian rosewood to make it onto the CITES appendix?
 
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This is actually not all that new. Remember that even before CITES put Brazilian rosewood on the list, various nations has banned or heavily regulated some materials. Cuban/Caribbean aka "real" mahogany (Swietenia Mahogani)is a good example. IIRC, it has been regulated since the late 1950's. About the only way you can get "new"lumber is either if a tree gets blown down, killed by lightning or has to be removed for some construction project in the Florida Keys or from plantation wood planted by the Spanish long ago in the Pacific. Otherwise, you are going have to scrounge for secret stash "NOS" logs or lumber that has been in the country for decades, much like we have to do for non "stump" wood Brazilian rosewood. Even though its harvest is heavily regulated and much it "shade grow" plantation wood from coffee and tea operations, I wonder how long it will take for East Indian rosewood to make it onto the CITES appendix?

East Indian is on it. Every true rosewood, even African blackwood which many people thought was safe.

The other thing to realize is that this is not a ban. Brazil has BANNED the export of Brazilian rosewood, Brazilian kingwood and tulipwood. Coco was cities listed about a year ago, and some suppliers have gotten cities licenses and are starting to import the wood again. Prices are higher since the permits are expensive and harvesting the wood is now more regulated, but cities is not a ban. It is a sustainable harvesting system.
 
I do agree out "exotic" wood days are becoming more limited. We'll be seeing more dyed/stained/cast domestic woods, and synthetics. There is a shift in customer perception. I've done more synthetic handles this last thee months than I've done since I started making knives. (Four years.)

Anything too slow growing to be farmed easily will price itself in the ivory range in the next decade or two. Poplar and maple curl will be dyed to give us a Koa like appearance when Koa supply depletes.

This seems a likely prediction to me. I follow a bunch of people on Instagram and it seems that stabilized, dyed, and hybrid wood/resin domestic woods are more and more popular by the day. A lot of micarta (or is it "mycarta" LOL), G10, and other synthetic handle materials on lots of knives too. I still kind of feel sad when I see a bowie with synthetic handle tho.

On the plus side, it would be great if the wood species that are disappearing don't completely go extinct.
 
Ben, I thought that East Indian plantation wood was on one of the UN (?) lists, but not in the CITES index along with the "wild" species. I know that, under local Indian law, even the coffee and tea plantation owners have to get a permit and hired a license third party to cut down the trees and process the wood.
East Indian is on it. Every true rosewood, even African blackwood which many people thought was safe.

The other thing to realize is that this is not a ban. Brazil has BANNED the export of Brazilian rosewood, Brazilian kingwood and tulipwood. Coco was cities listed about a year ago, and some suppliers have gotten cities licenses and are starting to import the wood again. Prices are higher since the permits are expensive and harvesting the wood is now more regulated, but cities is not a ban. It is a sustainable harvesting system.
 
The good news is that apparently have a buttload of black walnut in the US which occasionally produces some very nice crotchwood, etc in sizes that while not ideal for gun stocks, works well for knife sized pieces. Same with maple. We don't need a piece big enough to make a wild two piece top for a Les Paul to make handle scales.
 
The other thing to realize is that this is not a ban. Brazil has BANNED the export of Brazilian rosewood, Brazilian kingwood and tulipwood. Coco was cities listed about a year ago, and some suppliers have gotten cities licenses and are starting to import the wood again. Prices are higher since the permits are expensive and harvesting the wood is now more regulated, but cities is not a ban. It is a sustainable harvesting system.

This is an important distinction. CITES licenses are not really hard to obtain, provided your supply is above board and sustainable. (Blackwood comes immediately to mind, but it's far from alone in that category) And also, for those people looking at this as a strictly American action, remember that CITES is a multinational agreement. By adding all these additional species to the list, it provides officials of many countries (mostly, but not exclusively North American and European) an enforcement tool do deal with the problem.
 
This seems a likely prediction to me. I follow a bunch of people on Instagram and it seems that stabilized, dyed, and hybrid wood/resin domestic woods are more and more popular by the day. A lot of micarta (or is it "mycarta" LOL), G10, and other synthetic handle materials on lots of knives too. I still kind of feel sad when I see a bowie with synthetic handle tho.

On the plus side, it would be great if the wood species that are disappearing don't completely go extinct.

There's got to be a balance. Sustainable harvesting seems to be the best balance. Cites plays a roll in that.
 
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