Electro Magnetic Knife Opening Idea

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This idea came to me in the middle of the night right after I woke up from a dream. So you guys can tell me if I ate too much pizza the evening before or if it's a good idea. Also I know Spyderco doesn't really make autos but I thought I mention it here first.

Basic Idea

Use rare earth magnets, a power source and some wire to electromagnetically open a folding knife.

Background

I wanted to use an example of where this idea came from. Have you ever taken a toy DC motor apart? IF you have you would see the following. There is a metal can with internal brackets to hold two often ferrite magnets. There is a central armature with three poles or lobes in which wire is wrapped. The ends of the wires are joined at a comutator and is contacted by the brushes that carry power to the wires. The action of the comutator controls current direction and rapidly flips the magnetic orientation of the poles. The pole change results in pushing and pulling in relation to the stationary magnets causes rotation.

Electro Magnetic Knife Opener Version 1

In version one of the backspacer of the knife is a permanent magnet oriented such that the N and S poles of the magnet are pointed out from the back along the spine of the knife and 180 degress out the opening channel. There may or may not be liners that would allow focussing of the lines of force.

The handle contains a power source* and electronis and switch. It also has contact "wipers" near the pivot.

The knife blade has milled channels near the pivot in which heavy wire is wrapped an inlayed. At each end if the inlay area there is a contact strip. These contact strips match the handle contacts when the knife is closed.

Theory of Operation

With the knife closed, The switch is pressed and the current sets up a field between the blade (armature) and the handle causing a force that ehjects the blade from the handle.

Version 2

Similar as version 1 but with magnets in the handle closer to the blade which will give a higher force then a backspacer magnet.

Version 3

In this version the blade itself has an imbedded magnet, and the coil of wires are now part of the handle. The magnet could even follow the contour of the blade, that is thicker towards the spine, so that the magnetic flux is also concentrated there. I think this would provide better opening action as the concentration of flux away from the coils towards the opening direction would results in greater leverage.

Theory of operation is the same, but there is now no need for the inlayed wire in the blade or any of the contact areas. Pressing the switch creates the field in the handle ejecting the blade.

Power source

My idea is to use a rechargeable Lithion battery in the handle with an inductive charger like the sonicare toothbrushes. The charger could be operated of an USB port on your computer for example.

The electronic controller could be programmed for different power release curves resulting is different openign behaviors. Perhaps there is even a small piezo electric element to privide audible feedback before or during the openign sequence. ( Think roadrunner sounds: "Beep Beep PWANGG")

Another improvement would be to allow manual opening and closing with would generate a smallamoutn of current ala regenerative breaking.


What to name it

I've come up with the following names so far. I think a catchy name helps with adoption and marketing. Feel free to suggest something.

MagDa
EMag
DIGMON - Dave's I'm Gonna be a Millionaire On royalties opening systeM
 
You'd be better designing a knife wher the blade comes out of the front of the handle rather then pivoting.
Or you could use smartwire to pull on a cam when current passes through it to open the blade. (smart wire reduces in size by 10% when enough current passes through it.
A spring is better though (unless your wanting a knife activated by some sensing device, but then you want to have a electronic system to release the mechanical one. in which case you should see some of the things I made from lego before I started looking at girls)
 
Fun idea, pretty clever really, but folders have enough mechanical problems as it is. I'd rather not have electrical problems as well. Plus, what if your batteries die? "Anyone have a knife." "Yeah, hang on. Crap, the batteries are dead!" Cool idea, just not very practical.
 
The system doesn't prevent you from opening it manually.

Plus, and i just thought of this, that the magnet in the blade is a great Covert Data Deanimator! Dark Ops may me interested. :p
 
blade man said:
Fun idea, pretty clever really, but folders have enough mechanical problems as it is. I'd rather not have electrical problems as well. Plus, what if your batteries die? "Anyone have a knife." "Yeah, hang on. Crap, the batteries are dead!" Cool idea, just not very practical.

So make it solar-powered! :D
 
As for an Auto Spydie, watch out the C100 model... :D

Search for threads on spydie forums...

Simon
 
DaveH said:
The system doesn't prevent you from opening it manually.

Plus, and i just thought of this, that the magnet in the blade is a great Covert Data Deanimator! Dark Ops may me interested. :p

damn near spit my drink out when i read that. as long as the "Covery Data Deanimator" can somehow divert the blood spatter im sure they would buy off on the idea.
 
Does data have blood?

I guess it has "bits", so I'd need to control "bit spray" or "bit splatter", or maybe "bit gush".
 
Dave, will it have fingerprint recognition technology to prevent people from opening it and using it as a screwdriver?

Actually I kinda like the idea of fingerprint recognition, nice idea for a lock and probably easy to do.
I'll call it it the LATWTTB Lock(Laughed All The Way To The Bank) :D

Dave maybe we can do a collaroration? :cool:
 
Too funny!

On a more serious note, I believe S&W or Taylor cutlery has a patent or pat. pend. on a magnetic assisted opener.
 
Dirk said:
Too funny!

On a more serious note, I believe S&W or Taylor cutlery has a patent or pat. pend. on a magnetic assisted opener.

Yea, but does it have a LATWTTB Lock
 
DaveH said:
hmm I sense thread drift...

you sense correctly....

LADIES AND GENTS...i present to you the NEW C100 prototype (sal, you better give me a call about this one). things to note about the DIGMON.

1. first off the revolutionary DIGMON magnetic opening system.
2. solar panel to recharge the batteries.
3. the fingerprint recognition system (LATWTTB) cleverly placed in the spyderhole
4. the blue led, which also doubles as a glass breaker/emergency whistle/distress beacon.

c100.jpg
 
Valient idea.......but it seems like an accident waiting to happen. :)

Plus.....in this world of technology the last thing I need is to have a "powered" knife.

Please keep electric, batteries, power of any kind off of knives :) Springs are fine.
 
jestyr, thanks for the prototype, I should get some patent paperwork together. :)
 
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