Embarassing confession .... and a stockman question

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Gryffin said:
Sorry, but in my case, the spey blade is the second-most-used, right after the sheepsfoot.

I don't punch cows either (can they punch back? :D), but the Stockman is still one of my favorite patterns due to it's utility: three blades that I can customize to different uses. To wit:

  • Sheepsfoot blade: I put a heavy, 40 degree bevel on mine, and use it for the hardest work: carving wood, cutting rope or cord or strapping or cardboard, etc. One of the best uses I've found is for those damnable plastic clam-pack packaging — the straight edge doesn't try to slip out of the cut like a curved edge does.

  • Spey: I sharpen this one down as thin as I can get, usually around 10 degrees on carbon/CV, or 15-20 on stainless if it'll let me. This is the one I use for fine slicing of soft materials like foodstuffs, fabrics, leather, etc.; I also use it to shave down calluses (I know, yuck, but it's true!)

  • Clip: This one gets a medium 20-30 degree edge, and is used mostly when I need a long cutting edge, such as food prep (e.g., halving an apple).


That's exactly how mine is used, the spey blade when made ultra thin and sharp becomes my skiffing/slicing blade, when I stick my thumb behind the spine and push cut I can fillet paper, I use mine for trimming and cleaning up gaskets and the mating surfaces of flanges, on engines almost anwhere I need a small contact point to shave with where I have a lot of control, you could peel a grape with a spey easier than any other blade(why would you want to peel a grape, I don't know but it works.).
 
I think you may be right Jackknife. There is a lot of retro styling going on for just the reasons you mentioned. A lot of people are getting tired of cookie cutter products. When you can't tell if a new sedan is a Ford, Chevy, or Toyota because they all look alike, people start to realize that a little individualism isn't a bad thing. Then the marketing people go and cookie cutter the retro thing until people keep trying to get into the wrong PT cruiser among the many at the parking lot.

Good points too about the Cowboy Action Shooting. Straight forward and clear cut in what you are trying to do. Plus, for a little while you get to be something you wanted to be inside. The nice thing is you don't get terminated if you aren't as good as you would like to think you are. You just don't win. Unfortunately, this has also become a game for people with disposable income. By the time you buy the guns, gear, and leather, the average person is topping $2k, plus ammo for each shoot. Kind of like comparing trap to sporting clays. For the cost of a round of sporting clays you could shoot 4 or so rounds of trap. But, at least people are trying to reconnect with a simpler set of times. Though no time period is ever simple. It was just open enough of a country in the past that you could live your life and not see much of the complications going on in other places.

I've seen a resurgence in people rediscovering and taking to cast iron cooking with a furvor. Heck, I've only recently redisovered it. My first wife did such a good job ruining cast iron that I couldn't bear to bring in anything else for her to screw up. Suddenly, the original non-stick cookwear is popular again as people experience just how great the stuff cooks. Another pleasure they get is that it reminds them of the kitchens of their childhood when the kitchen was often a social spot as much as a place to fix and eat food. We had an heirloom dining set in a room on the farm, but it was for family holidays like Christmas, Thanksgiving, and Easter. The kitchen was the center of activity.

Just so I don't delude anyone, I have enjoyed fancy coffees and teas. I even used to have a, gasp, French press coffee maker. It did make great coffee in a hands on process. You actually had to be there and be part of the process. Not a bad thing. Since I'm the only one in the house that drinks coffee, these days I will often just nuke a pyrex measuring cup of water and toss in some south of the border made columbian instant. It's cheap and tastes like coffee much more than the fancy labels do. I am eyeing either a stainless perculator or a granite wear one with a stainless basket. I refuse to do aluminum in any cookwear except maybe a pressure canner (NOT cooker).

Besides listening to old country, bluegrass, folk, celtic, and other older music, (another gasp) I actually listen to hard rock like Seether and Disturbed. Shocks the youngins to no end when they find that out. That's fun! Hey, I grew up with Ray Price and Led Zepplin. I enjoyed both. I'm even starting to get into Frank Sinatra, Bobbie Darrin, and some swing.

Now the worst part. I have a Kershaw Ken Onion assisted opening locker. It is all black and even has a black coated, stainless blade. :eek: And, I love it. I can't legally carry a lockback in San Antonio, which is a real shame and an insult to Jim Bowie. I also dont let it bother me if I want to carry it. I could probably get by with nothing more than this knife. Actually I did as it was my EDC for over a year and proved itself time and again to be just a great knife that cut well, sharpened well, held an edge, and operated as an extenstion of me. Not everything new is bad. Now I'm carrying a Case Sod Buster Jr in the yellow handle and CV steel. I will add in a small SAK now and then. I like having a can opener. I may end up with a stockman which was my EDC years ago as it is just a great user pattern. But I have to admit, even with only one blade, I'm loving the Sodbuster for a carry knife. In spite of the success I've been having with the stainless blade in the Kershaw, I still much prefer carbon steel. Carbon steel is still very hard to beat for a knife blade. In passing I would mention that I am quite fond of a good, old fashioned, forged tomahawk for camp and woods running. Another old design that just works way out porportion for its size and weight. Kinda like a .30-40 Krag or a 6.5X55mm Swede round.

I even have a Glock 22 .40 S&W. It doesn't give me the pleasure of a good old Smith revolver or an old Colt 1911A1. It's purpose is that of a tool. Just a basic, reliable, easy to maintain, rugged tool. A tool that also lets me have an auto that lets me shoot it like a double action revolver. Point, pull, perforate the target/attacker. For that I appreciate and respect it. Very matter of fact. I don't sit and polish it, admiring the handwork and fitting like I do a good steel firearm. If I didn't have it to use for armed security work I would probably have a Ruger Security Six or an older Model 19 S&W, and either a Marlin or a Winchester lever in .357 Mag. I used to shoot .44 and .45, but I've scaled back to .357 for a nice all around redneck combat combo that lets you shoot mag loads for social work or medium game at close ranges, yet slip over to light loads for bunnies and smaller things. If I still lived in Alaska or somewhere like that then I would be .44 all the way as I used to be.

I hope I haven't destroyed anyone's faith. I can enjoy modern things (I'm on this computer enough), I just choose to relate more to and identify more with traditional things and would be quite happy living a slowed down, rustic lifestyle. That world I find peace in. Urban neighborhoods with neat, lush lawns and every plant trimmed neatly make me feel uncomfortable. Those monoculture lawns are just unnatural and wouldn't exist wihtout artificial feeding and weeding. My apologies if I offended anyone of the Hank Hill Lawn Afficianados. Those landscapes just scare me. My idea of a good lawn will get me in trouble with the neighbors.

We are still free to make the choice for going back to the things that are part of our heritage. As the moderns start to feel the empty drifting sensation that is their life, little by little they try out some of these old things. With the interest comes a desire to learn more. With learning comes an understanding of where these things come from, what parts they played in peoples lives, and the rewards of a simpler, more personally involved life starts to become apparent. Perhaps, this is some hope for the future. As people become disillusioned with a plastic, throw-away world, the will look back to move forward and get more living out of life instead of stuff.

Sure, I have and enjoy modern things, but if made to choose, or given a choice (read that an opportunity) between the modern stuff and going traditional, guys, I'm on that time machine with you! We can take my old man's teepee with us.

Oh, and Pickupman, yep, I'm in Castroville (damn outsider neo yuppie scum are trying to Disneyland it up and ruin it.). I graduated from Hondo in 75. I came back in 96 and married my high school sweetheart who is from Castroville. Her Daddy still speaks Alsatian with the other old timers here. Drop me a line when you're coming through and we'll get some coffee at Sammy's. I'm just up the road from there. Unless I get luckey and can get out into what is left of the rural county,
 
Darn Amos, you live in some of my old stompin ground. I spent two years at Ft. Sam Houston, and I'm pretty familiar with that area. On weekends we camped at Garner state park, and another one I can't recall the name of. I loved San Antonio and thought about homesteaddding there. I used to go shooting at a range called "A Place To Shoot" out on farm road 1604.

It sounds like its changed alot. You're serious that you can't carry a lockblade knife in town anymore? It's Texas for petes sake.

I have such fond memories of the fishing at Canyon lake and the Guadalupe river.
 
Darn back at ya! So your an old Army fella too, eh.

Yep, it has changed a bit. Urban sprawl is pusing right past 1604. I'm getting claustrophobic. Since my autistic step-son got into a program a few years ago that is worked out with the school system I can't even leave the school district or he gets pulled and we start all over. Not a pleasant thought. That and my wife and her mother are kinda co-dependent at times. I told her that both our families are crazy, just mine has the decency to leave for part of the year. My parents are on their way to Manastee National Park in Michigan for the summer where they've been area campground managers for the past 3 or 4 years now. Dad sets up his teepee by their RV.

IIRC we can thank Henry Cisneros for the lockblade law from when was mayor of SA, before he got busted for carrying on with his mistress and doing favors. According to the cops I chat with at the Powderhorn down by 410 and Marbach, no one ever gets busted for having a lockblade alone. They only use the ordinance to stack on to other charges. Still, the very priniciple is wrong, especially in the city that holds the Alamo. Of course, the whole idea was to "Protect" us from gangs.

I believe A Place to Shoot is still there. I used to go to a little dive of a range called The Bullet Hole on Grossenbacher. Friendly folks. I got my dog from there. They've improved the range facilities, but in doing so forgot to put in things like a 25 yard rifle zero range. All rifle work starts at 100 yards. The area around them is building up heavily and I see them getting squeezed out before much longer. I haven't been out much though in the last year. What I really need to do is join the Alamo Area Muzzleoaders. Then I would have free access to a range just outside LaCoste which is about 10 minutes away. But if I have the $60 annual fee then I can buy a knife or two, right? <g>

My step-daughter is up your way. She attended college at Washington College there. She lives in VA now and is working at the National Counter-Terrorism Center. Kind of wild for an English major who wanted (and still wants) to be an editor.

Heck, JK, we need to get you and Pickupman together down this way for a SA gathering. Everyone else should just come on down too. Maybe make a pilgrimage to Garner. Up towards Leakey and that area is some pretty country. I wouldn't mind being tucked back up one of those canyons up that way.

Hey Grateful! Don't forget to let us know how the Turkey chasin went!

I really should try to get back to sleep. Darn dog gets in her head that I'm the only one who can take her out. Even after she just went out with someone else! Being the object of devotion can have its downside. <g>

One of these days I'll actually post a short post.

Pickupman, I do write now and then, but I'm lazy and undisciplined about following through or ever submitting anything. Since we've been kind of nostalgic through this thread, as soon as I can manage to get it placed in my online storage area I'll post a link to a short tale called, A Pond in My Past. It's about the tiny, now filled in pond on the old farm in Ohio and some of the formative times spent there. I miss that old place and that pond. It was only 50 acres and the family had to work in town to supplement income, but to a kid growing up it was vast as the unsettled west. Getting to run in the neighbor's woods as well as my own was like paradise. It's where I learned to appreciate the sound of snow falling through the bare trees when you stood quiet and immersed.

<G> We could almost turn this thread into a website and forum of its own. Old Farts R Us. Or maybe Reprobates and Renegades, the boy's club for men. Of course women with nice slipjoint collections are invited, please send photos of collection. Heheh.
 
Reprobates and renegades, I love it.

I can't envision the urban sprawl reaching out as far as 1604. When I was at Ft. Sam that was out in the country. Damm! Still, I'd thoughts of seeing Texas again. My other half, Karen is a Texas girl from down Harlingen way. We've been looking at someplace to retire to out of the Peoples Republik of Maryland. I was down in South Carolina a few weeks ago checking a place out. When I mentioned Texas both Karen and her sister Dianne thought it was a great idea to check on. Di and her fella are about the same age as us, and are looking toward retirement. Di lived in Houston for years before she came up four years ago to join us in Maryland. I'd have to go pop a few caps at A Place To Shoot just for the memories.

I don't think I'd be bothered by the anti-lockblade law anyways, I actually don't even have a lockblade knife exept for an Opinel or two. Stockmen, saks, and barlows are another story.

A SA gathering, yeah. Is Garner the one with the caves up on the mountain sides? I recall a state park out toward Hondo and Uvalde way that we camped at that had caves. Of course I'd love to see Big Bend again. I used the heck out of my old Buck 301 stockman on that camping trip. I bought it at the PX on FT. Sam for 12.00.

Maybe the stockmen will ride again.

Hey, thats it- The Stockmen!
 
C'mon down. We need more like you and less like what we're getting.

I think it might be Garner with the caves. I really don't know. In the 9 years I've been back I've not had a chance to do more than drive by. It may be Lost Maples that has them. If you can drive there and they have an information station, how can they be lost?

Hmmm, The Stockmen. That has a ring too it. Will I have to hide my sodbuster? <g>

Slipjoints, because a real man doesn't need help staying extended. And because the walk and the talk are important.

If I can get off mids shift I think I need to seriously do a little camping this year. At this point that may include a cabin tent and a cot instead of a pup on the ground. Just because I can and have used a poncho hooch and a poncho liner doen't mean I need to. My back will appreciate that.

I really need to get over to the hardware store and pickup a yellow handle Case stockman. Y'all a bad influence. "Gee Honey, I was under the influence."

On another thread Pickupman was talking about a 330T Old Timer. That reminded me of the OT 340T that was my standard carry years ago. I don't even remember what happened to that knife. It was a fine knife though. I wouldn't mind another one.
 
Amos, go on down to the hardware store and get that CV stockman. After all, ya talked me into getting that extra CV sodbuster (tell your wife that it helps to keep balance in the universe or something). I think that it is also as close as you can get to a currently made 34OT in terms of materials, at a working man's price.
 
That Old Timer middleman was one of the best edc pocket knives you could get. In fact, just about any of the Old Timers, 340 or other, would do just fine. Schrade going under on their 100th anniversery was tragic. Makes me want to baby my 8OT senior stockman.

Amos, I know what you mean about the tent. Age and arthritus have been working on me, and first thing in the morning it would be a trying thing for me to crawl out of a little pup tent. I was looking at some of the larger tents at Dicks-used-to-be-Galyans. For about a hundred you can get a very nice fold up home away from home.

I don't think you'll have to hide the sodbuster from the stockman, just put a congress between em. The resulting filibuster and B.S. should keep em occupied.:D Or toss a copperhead in and give them both something to worry about.

Just what are the knife laws in Texas, as far as size, fixed blade, and such? It's just strange to think a ubiquitous Buck 110 can lead to a problem in the shadow of the Alamo! Makes me wonder what the gun laws are like now.

Next thing you'll be telling me is the bass fishing in Canyon Lake has gone to hell.
 
jackknife said:
I don't think you'll have to hide the sodbuster from the stockman, just put a congress between em. The resulting filibuster and B.S. should keep em occupied.:D Or toss a copperhead in and give them both something to worry about.
:D I love it.

Well under Texas penal code you can't carry autos, switchblades, or double edges (daggers, stilletos, etc.). However, under state law you can carry a lockblade or a fixed blade up to 5.5 inches either open or concealed. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a preemptive clause like there is for CCW. A LEO on here told us that the Matagorda DA is prosecuting assisted openers like my Kershaw as an auto knife. It could probably be challenged in court, but who wants to be the test case?

Funny thing here. I can get a permit and tuck my 15 round, .40 S&W Glock out of sight on my body, but I can't legally carry a lockblade in the Alamo city. I can run around with any legal long gun in the window of a truck, but be subject to charges for a Buck 110 on my body or in a vehicle in SA. :rolleyes:

Here is section 46.01(6):
~ ~ (6) "Illegal knife" means a:
~ ~ ~ (A) knife with a blade over five and one-half inches;
~ ~ ~ (B) hand instrument designed to cut or stab another by being thrown;
~ ~ ~ (C) dagger, including but not limited to a dirk, stilletto, and poniard;
~ ~ ~ (D) bowie knife;
~ ~ ~ (E) sword; or
~ ~ ~ (F) spear.


(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:
~ ~ ~ (A) blackjack;
~ ~ ~ (B) nightstick;
~ ~ ~ (C) mace;
~ ~ ~ (D) tomahawk.


I thought tomahawks were made for cutting wood and outdoor activities? At least that's what I used mine for. And outlawing Bowies in a state where Jim Bowie is part of the very foundation of the state? That's the very kind of wrong and convoluted thinking that has us all expressing sadness over today's society and wishing for a previous era. This is part of a world that doesn't make sense.

I think someone should sue the city the next time someone cuts themselve because the non-locker they were using while in SA folded on their fingers. With all the emphasis on safety features, San Antonio should be held responsible for injuries incurred because the person was denied by law the use of a knife with a proven safety feature.

Bartleby said:
Amos, go on down to the hardware store and get that CV stockman. After all, ya talked me into getting that extra CV sodbuster (tell your wife that it helps to keep balance in the universe or something).

She read that over my shoulder and laughed. I did point out that it was correct and only fair.

We were talking collections as she was getting a renter's insurance policy set up today. She couldn't remember what I was collecting if anything at this point, except guns. I'm actually minimal on the gun side now days, but do plan on building a basic homestead kit/collection. Nothing like the 40-50 I used to have in Alaska. I worked part-time in a gun shot there for about 3.5 years while I was stationed there. Never took anything out in cash, only trade.

I explained to her that I'll probably start collecting current production Case knives and other working man traditionals. I even told her that they ran from $28-36 usually, but some went a little higher. She's pretty good about those things because she wants me to be happy and knows it is something I identify with. As long as I don't take money from the rent/utilities/food and she can get things now and then it's okay by her. I'm kinda partial to the old girl!

During a brief and agonizing second marriage I got rid of most of my guns (the Alaska collection) traded off my 91 3/4 ton Silvarado and left my dog with my parents. It was a period that haunts me still. When I moved down here my wife had an 84 F150 Extended Cab, she loves my (our) dog we got six years ago, and it turns her on to see me handle my guns. She's also proud of how I can shoot. And, we used to go to the range pretty regularly and she enjoyed it. We'll have to start doing that again. I can only wonder what would have happened if we'd gotten together way back then. Probably would have been a mess as we both needed to learn a lot of things the hard way. I like her. I think she also likes that the knives cost less than the guns, even if I have them laying around everywhere.

HEY Robert! Happy Birthday! I hope you get a nice slipjoint for your birthday. Or do like I did last month and buy your own! heheh. Maybe a nice stockman with carbon steel blades?
 
mnblade said:
By the way ..... glennbad, tell me more about this knife please. Maker? Still in production? Stainless or carbon? Handle material?


Thanks for your inquiry.

It is a Schrade 893 pattern. At least that is what the blade says. I'm not sure if it was a real 2-blade production pattern or if someone 'made it'.

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I took this picture. It's not very good, but you can see the well of the knife. I inspected it thoroughly, and the backspring is full up past where a 3rd blade tang would be on this knife. So it was definitely manufactured by someone. I don't have a catalog to check the later open stock pattern numbers, maybe one of my schrade brothers has one and can verify this for me. It was indeed made to be a 2 blade stockman, although maybe I wouldn't call it that anymore. :D

The production of the knife happened after 1973. Obviously, not in production anymore. It has jigged delrin handles.
My guess on the blades is carbon, although I didn't do any tests on it. They are not marked with the usual 'stainless' stamp, and the blade tang does not have a '+' on it, usually denoting stainless.

In all my travels, I have never seen another like it. Maybe someone else has seen one.

Maybe it was a 'lunchbox' knife...

Glenn
 
I love my spey blade, and I have no intentions of ever operating on an animal. However, I love the size and shape, and it is a nice rigid blade and I often use it for jobs that the full blade would be inapropriate for.
 
jackknife said:
It also makes a fine pipe bowl scraper!:thumbup:

And you don't even need one of those expensive reamers.

So Jack, what kind to tobaccy do you stuff in them pipes? I'll guess either something in a VA or Burley, or an English blend.

Funny thing, I used to use sugar and cream in my coffee, my great-grandpa Rudd started me out that way when I was preschool or or so (I don't recall the exact dates. <G>) Over the years I smoked a pipe now and then. During the last year I got back into pipes seriously and gravitated to English and Americanized English blends. Since I started back on pipes I started drinking my coffee black with only the rare exception.

I look around my little computer room and the desks are scattered with pipes, a handful of traditional pocket knives, and a variety of tobacco containers and accessories.

I really gotta get this mess cleaned up and organized some day so I can put a recliner and a good reading light in here. Maybe I'll put one of those fireplace screen savers on the computer for the winter, and maybe a nice snow scene during the summer.

See, the value of a spey blade is only limited by the imagination.
 
Hey Amos, when am I going to read some of that imagination of yours in Knife World? Every time you get an article published there, you can afford to buy a nice knife or three!!
I think I got $120 for the last one!
 
Amos Iron Wolf said:
And you don't even need one of those expensive reamers.

So Jack, what kind to tobaccy do you stuff in them pipes? I'll guess either something in a VA or Burley, or an English blend.


See, the value of a spey blade is only limited by the imagination.

Hey Amos-

I've been smoking a strait up unadulterated air cured Kentucky Burley. I order it in pound bags from Fred Stoker and sons out of Dresden Tenn. It's their PR-19 blend. I keep a pound bag of their English Supreme on hand for the times I'm in the mood for a bit stronger smoke. I have a few separate pipes I use for the English blend. Most of my pipe collection are Petersons 314, and 317 series, with a couple of Savenelli Ohm Paul shapes. and two calabashes round out what I have on hand.

Yeah, its a funny thing, but if you have a slow pipe going well, black coffee is a great compliment. But if you put any suger in it at all, it kills the whole thing. Same thing with tea. A slow pipe, some fresh brewed Darjeling or some other good black tea, and its as good as it gets. Add sweet into the mix and BLAH!:barf:
 
waynorth said:
Hey Amos, when am I going to read some of that imagination of yours in Knife World? Every time you get an article published there, you can afford to buy a nice knife or three!!
I think I got $120 for the last one!

Well now, that could be a motivator. Get a knife tale published, buy a knife. I've got the free issues coming so I can get a feel for the pub. Then, we'll see. Thanks for the encouragment.

Jacknife, I haven't gotten a Peterson yet, but on hear fantasitc things about them. Probably the fanciest thing in my stable is GBD Premier Collector Canadian 263. Beautiful grain with all kinds of images popping out when turned. I used to really like the Canadian shapes and have a few. To date though, my best smokers have been some no-name, nothing-name estate pipes I got mostly in lots and a few individuals on ebay. One small Rhodesian had such a cake built up the hole was near closed. I'm surprised it didn't bust the pipe. I chipped it out with a knife and it came cleanly away in chunks leaving just a tiny layer of cake. I look at some of the chips and a scratch or two and just imagine this being some fella's constant companion. Did another pocket hold a worn pocket knife with the stained blades made smaller by years of sharpening? After sterilization this one is for english or american blends as are most of mine. I have a few that I smoke the occasional aromatic in. I've only found one or two aromatics worth smoking and those only on rare occasion.

I tried to get into straight burlies, especially since I used to raise burley tobacco on that farm in southern Ohio. Most straight burlies I've tried seem to coat my tongue in a parafine style. I guess what makes that butter cream experience for others reacts differently for me. I'm starting to try some flaked tobacs with the intent to get into some straight VAs maybe. I think I could enjoy really good Burley/VA though.

Which brings this back around to knives, haha. I saw a website where you can buy cured tobacco by the leaf bundle (or hand as we called them) and a maple mould with a press block. You moisten the leaves, then strip them out, placing them into the mould which is then compressed with a big C-clamp. When the pressing is complete you have your very own block of tobacco. You can then take a knife and cut the tobac into thin flakes, or into crumbles.

Can you imagine sitting on the porch on a nice fall day. Just like the sailor in the old days, you cut a flake from your block with trusty pocket knife, maybe a long, slim bladed trapper. Then you either pack the flake or rub it out then fill your pipe. Lighting your pipe you sit back in the rocker and reach for that cup of coffee and look out towards the treeline at end of the meadow where the sun is slipping away. A fine end to the meal you had a little earlier of (cast iron) pan fried quail you shot earlier that day. Man what a day afield that was. That's the kind of thing, the dream, for some the memory, we secretly touch when we include traditional tools in our life. Tools that say slow down, appreciate what you are doing in this moment.
 
Yes a burley can bite you if you're not carefull. You have to get into the habit of drawing gently and slowly, but you get rewarded with a rich tobacco taste. Virginia is a little milder and sweeter.

Traditional tools do make us slow down and think about what we're doing. I guess thats why I like slip joints, revolvers, and single barrel shotguns. My first gun I saved up for when I was a kid was a Savage 24. I had one shot of .22LR and one shot of 20ga on tap. It made me think about my shot, and hunt more carefully. Same for my recurve. I like tools that make me think about it before I do it.

I know what you mean about that Rhodesian, I have one special Peterson, a strait little tankard, that is my go to pipe. It travels with me and its my pipe of choice afield. I have to ream it now and then to keep it open. And once in a while just for the nostalgia, I'll carry my grandads old Hen and Rooster two blade stockman. The main blade is worn down to a razor edged toothpick, and the spey is about half there. But it still will cut like a scalple, and nothing but the decades of handling will put a deep golden hue on stag like that.

I guess a pipe and a pocket knife is the most personel things a man can have. One good gun would be another.
 
I didn't read through the whole thread, so sorry if my post is no longer relevant or is just plain out of place...

I agree that the spey blade is the least useful, however, with a clip and sheepfoot already on the knife, I think a spey blade is one of the best choices for expanding the versatility of the knife. You could have a more useful blade instead, but I can't think of any that are more useful and don't step on the toes of what the clip and sheepfoot already cover.

I am not a huge slipjoint user, but even in my limited use of stockmen, I have used the spey blade in delicate cutting chores where I don't want to poke anything around what I am cutting. My most common task where this is an issue is when I am cutting a paper jam out of the ad inserter at work (I work at a newspaper). I need to cut the paper out without harming the belts the paper is tangled in. I am sure other blade types will do this task (as I have done it, even with large tactical knives, when a spey blade is not handy), but having a spey blade or something likewise "safe" to surrounding material lets me worry less and work a little faster.

I will admit, though, that a sheepfoot blade is also very good for cutting out a paper jam without cutting surrounding belts, so having something other than a spey blade would not be the end of the world.
 
Don't worry Hair, your comments are quite relevant and answer the question of that started the thread. Even in settings far away from the stock pens, the spey still has great utility as a specialty blade. Only the special uses have changed.

Heheh, Jacknife, as I think I mentioned earlier, one of the first guns I toted afield as a kid was a Savage 24 in .22lr/.410. Once here in Texas I emptied the mag on a Win 255 .22mag lever gun at a fairly close range on a running jackrabbit. Missed all of em. A week or so later I jumped another jackbunny while carrying that Savage. I tracked that rabbit it seemed like for ever until I felt I had a safe backstop. One shot and he rolled. It was a long way a way. When I rolled him over the bullet hole was a (pardon he pun) hair's width from his right testicle. I think I'd have died from getting hit there too. (Actually I think the round went right on up into the vitals lengthwise.) I probably shouldn't taken the shot, but I was a teenager and on the hunt. But, it does show what happens when as you say, you have to slow down and really be sure what you are doing. I miss the 24 I had briefly in Alaska before trading fever took over. It was a .357 Mag reamed to .357 Max over 20 guage. It had great potential.

I've never had the bite with Burley. Then I've learned to slow down and sip. Nope, just by itself I often get a tongue coating. I may have to try some of that straight air cured you mentioned though. It may just be a quality issue. I generally expect more bite potential out of VAs.

Yeah, a good pipe in one pocket, a good slipjoint in another, and maybe a nice old revolver with maybe genuine stag or ivory grips on the hip. Then just put whatever is appropriate to the situation in the hand - rod, bow, longarm a hiking staff, or maybe just a canoe paddle slowly moving you through an early morning mist in some quiet backwater.

Yep, I gotta get gear up and get back out there some. Even my wife has suggested a little overnight camping.
 
Gryffin said:
Sorry, but in my case, the spey blade is the second-most-used, right after the sheepsfoot.

I don't punch cows either (can they punch back? :D), but the Stockman is still one of my favorite patterns due to it's utility: three blades that I can customize to different uses. To wit:

  • Sheepsfoot blade: I put a heavy, 40 degree bevel on mine, and use it for the hardest work: carving wood, cutting rope or cord or strapping or cardboard, etc. One of the best uses I've found is for those damnable plastic clam-pack packaging — the straight edge doesn't try to slip out of the cut like a curved edge does.

  • Spey: I sharpen this one down as thin as I can get, usually around 10 degrees on carbon/CV, or 15-20 on stainless if it'll let me. This is the one I use for fine slicing of soft materials like foodstuffs, fabrics, leather, etc.; I also use it to shave down calluses (I know, yuck, but it's true!)

  • Clip: This one gets a medium 20-30 degree edge, and is used mostly when I need a long cutting edge, such as food prep (e.g., halving an apple).

Interesting. I see you and I have just about opposite ideas on the grinds of a stockman :D. I like to keep a very thin angle (10-12) on the sheepsfoot blade for fine and controlled slicing, and a more obtuse (~20) angle on the spey blade for heavy duty cutting. I feel that I have the most control over the knife with the shorter spey blade when cutting something heavy.

I've had to use the sheepsfoot on a Buck 301 to cut a splinter out of my hand and like the very fine razor edge on that blade because of the controllable tip.

The master blade stays around the 12 to 15 degree range (per side). A lot of it also depends on the steel. I use a finer edge on carbon steels than on stainless.
 
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