Emerson CQC8 and Gentleman Jim. - A gamble?

tokerblue said:
Like others on this forum, I own knives from a lot of manufacturers. My two favorite knives I own are the Emerson CQC10 and Zero Tolerance ZT0777. There's no doubt that the ZT is the nicer knife. Better build qualty, better materials, etc. But I almost always carry the Emerson. I love the ergonomics, the Wave and the blade shape.
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I love a good zt thats for sure. But the wave is really what im after. It seems like youre paying a good portion for an emerson towards their general monopoly on the wave.

Thanks for your input blue!
 
stonproject said:
How is it "stupid" to flick open knives?

Its just a very simple way to open your knife quickly. I dont see why thats stupid.

Thats essentially calling the wave stupid.

I use my knives hard, and if a "flick" can cause problems, than its a knife that wont stay with me long. Thats why im inquiring about hard use knives, because they will be used hard. Thats why I dont buy a sebenza, too much money in a knife that will be thrashed.
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Well, I can only speak to what I've seen and have spoken with friends and members on the forums. Tommy, the guy that used to work with us, seemed to feel that the only way to open his knife was to crack it open like he was trying to pitch a fastball. The whole thing just looked ridiculous. It was always the same thing, using screw drivers to cut drywall, rather than using a drywall saw, trying to tighten screws with the knife blade, removing insulation with a Bic lighter instread of using wire strippers, hammering on stuff with pliers or wrenches, etc. We went shooting one time, and when I saw Tommy dry firing one of my buddies pistols while mumbling "Pew!", "Pew!", "Pew!", we all had about enough.

Now, using a knife hard and opening a knife "fast" are not the same thing, one has nothing to do with the other. As far as the Wave is concerned, it's all pretty much covered in the Emerson training philosophy, if you are being attacked (by a person, nothing to do with a utilitarian purpose) then yes, you would possibly be much better off having a knife sooner rather than later. I don't think the wave was intended for workers to immediately deploy a blade to cut a box up for the recycle bin.

Again, using tools and being overtly rough on them isn't necessarily one in the same. Especially when you're talking a couple hundred dollars. Just my take on it, nothing more. You know, I'm also not the type of person to sit in the car, watching TV, or walking around opening and closing my knife repeatedly throughout the day. Some folks do use their knives as worry beads, why I don't know.
 
stonproject said:
Cant tell what youre insinuating. But i simply flick the knife open with just enough force for it to open.

Sure the stop bar could wear after A LONG TIME WITH LOTS OF USE, but its not hard to replace that. and if thats the extent of the wear, whats the issue?

I can see on an emerson having the lock wore down because of it. but what about on an axis lock? How is the integrity of the tool being compromised by lightly flicking out the blade? for that matter, why are there knives with flippers and assisted mechanisms if theyre not designed to be flicked.

Saying no knife will hold up to flicking is quite the statement, and you seem to be getting pretty flustered about this, so can you enlighten me?

Ive been using knives for over 10 years, flicking everyone that can be flicked, and ive seen zero issues. So as far as me knowing nothing about knives because of the method in which i use to open them really seems like complete hogwash.
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Let me clarify so there will be no doubts. What I mean by what I said is that repeatedly flicking the knife open with force will eventually damage it. It will. This is not an opinion. It is simple mechanics. Folding knives were not meant to stand up to things like that for very long.

What I was insinuating is that people who repeatedly strongarm THWACK their knives open are usually ignorant about knives. There is a difference between flicking the knife open using the stud or flipper with just enough force to get it open, and flinging it open with a forceful snap of the wrist. The latter is what I was talking about. Usually when somebody says they "flick" their knives open they mean that they start them with the stud, then fling them open with a forceful wrist snap. If you do that you will eventually damage your knife. No doubt about it. I have never seen a knife with a flipper, speedsafe, assisted opening, etc. open with that amount of force. (the amount of force required to damage a knife)

I'm not getting flustered about anything at all. It takes a lot more than something like this to rile me up.
 
Can you elaborate exactly how a knife is damaged through flicking?

How would the damage differ between a liner lock, and an axis lock?

Because I have been flicking axis locks for quite some time, some thousands and thousands of times, with no signs of wear.

So exactly in what ways does flicking a knife damage a knife? which components are damaged, and how quickly are they damaged?

Im sitting here flicking my Bedlam, and notice nothing happening besides a portion of the blade tang hitting the stop bar. is this what you call damage?
 
stonproject said:
Can you elaborate exactly how a knife is damaged through flicking?

How would the damage differ between a liner lock, and an axis lock?

Because I have been flicking axis locks for quite some time, some thousands and thousands of times, with no signs of wear.

So exactly in what ways does flicking a knife damage a knife? which components are damaged, and how quickly are they damaged?

Im sitting here flicking my Bedlam, and notice nothing happening besides a portion of the blade tang hitting the stop bar. is this what you call damage?
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Damaged stop pins, mangled locks, bent pivots, the hole the pivot goes through becoming "egg shaped", an overall "loose" feeling to the knife. This is with a hard wrist snap opening.

No idea. I don't have any axis lock knives anymore. I'd imagine it could eventually deform the stop pin, or loosen the pivot bolt in the hole that holds it.

Good for you. Keep on keepin' on.

See line 1. How quickly they are damaged depends on the force of the "flick".

Sweet! Nope, it's not what I would call damage. What I would call damage is bent stop pins, mangled locks, bent pivots, an overall "loose" feeling to the knife.


I think you are not flicking your knife hard enough to cause damage. I was talking about the guys who wrist snap the knife open. It WILL eventually damage the knife. If it interests you do an experiment. Get 2 of the same exact knives. Flick the hell out of one all day long every day for a week. Open the other one with the thumb stud. Which one is looser? Did you have to tighten any screws? Anything bent? Any holes deformed? Is the lock buggered?
 
stonproject said:
I flick all my knives really hard. And its never, ever caused an issue, on any knife.

I mainly want an emerson because of the wave, and your damn right im gonna wave it nonstop for its entire life, and id expect a knife of this caliber to hold up to that use.

I wouldnt call flicking or waving a knife abuse. abuse is doing something to a knife that it was not intended to do. the emerson was meant to be flicked out hard, or atleast it should with a wave and ti lock.

My axis locks like to be flicked hard, and keep begging for more with no signs of use.

Im thinking about going with a Spyderco Military and waving it myself
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stonproject said:
Cant tell what youre insinuating. But i simply flick the knife open with just enough force for it to open.

Sure the stop bar could wear after A LONG TIME WITH LOTS OF USE, but its not hard to replace that. and if thats the extent of the wear, whats the issue?

I can see on an emerson having the lock wore down because of it. but what about on an axis lock? How is the integrity of the tool being compromised by lightly flicking out the blade? for that matter, why are there knives with flippers and assisted mechanisms if theyre not designed to be flicked.

Saying no knife will hold up to flicking is quite the statement, and you seem to be getting pretty flustered about this, so can you enlighten me?

Ive been using knives for over 10 years, flicking everyone that can be flicked, and ive seen zero issues. So as far as me knowing nothing about knives because of the method in which i use to open them really seems like complete hogwash.
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So you flick your knives open really hard because that's what it takes?
 
Yep. I think we've been "outninja'd". If you don't flick your knife open very hard and "spyderdrop" your spydercos that cardboard box might get away! Looks like somebody woke up under the wrong side of the bridge this morning.
 
gooeytek said:
So you flick your knives open really hard because that's what it takes?
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As i pull the knife from my pocket, i flick my wrist with enough force to propel the blade open and lock secruely.

Some knives take more force than others. I can see how a stop pin could be deformed, but thats super easy to fix, and realistically, how many times would you actually have to flick it to get to that point.

I dont "bull whip" my knives open, but i give them a good flick. and in my experience, ive never seen a hole deform, or a stop pin, or a pivot pin break.

I dont even understand how it would be possible for a human to flick a knife so hard it breaks the pivot pin unless its a total crap knife to begin with.
 
AntDog said:
Yep. I think we've been "outninja'd". If you don't flick your knife open very hard and "spyderdrop" your spydercos that cardboard box might get away! Looks like somebody woke up under the wrong side of the bridge this morning.
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Youre full of unehlpful, and negative posts on this thread. Not sure why youre attempting to insinuate im some sort of ninja, rambo wanna be because I flick my knives open. Lol. To be honest, it really seems like youve got a giant chip on your shoulder.

if you have nothing productive to say, take it elsewhere.
 
stonproject said:
Youre full of unehlpful, and negative posts on this thread. Not sure why youre attempting to insinuate im some sort of ninja, rambo wanna be because I flick my knives open. Lol. To be honest, it really seems like youve got a giant chip on your shoulder.

if you have nothing productive to say, take it elsewhere.
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Look at my very first post on this thread. Was it unhelpful?

I am not insinuating that you are a ninja or Rambo. I am insinuating that you are a troll. I am no longer feeding you.
 
stonproject said:
I love a good zt thats for sure. But the wave is really what im after. It seems like youre paying a good portion for an emerson towards their general monopoly on the wave.
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- If you like ZT and the Wave, why not wait for the new ZT0620?
 
stonproject said:
Helping prepare fire wood, building shelter in a pinch, even as far as lashing it into a spear for hunting, and then using it to skin your kill.
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Don't do that.
You take your knife and make a spear:



If you want to go all weird and jam a folder on a stick, then something like the Cold Steel Recon 1 or Voyager series is what you want (really strong lock).
But you'll probably bust it at some point anyway.

Even a fixed blade on a stick is a bad idea, except for ones like the Cold steel Bushman (the socket handled knife in this pic):
 
AntDog said:
Where'd you get the smatchets man?! Those are sweet.
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Got one Clax from Knives Ship Free back when they were just out of production.
Tracked the other down for my dad on the For Sale by Individual forum here. :)

There's still a few floating around if one puts out feelers. Well worth the money. :thumbup:
 
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