emerson knife liner lock?

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hi guys! are all emerson knife produces a liner lock design? how was the durability of the product? ived heard that frame lock is more reliable than liner lock knives?
 
The standard EKI lock is the liner lock, there was two frame locks made, the CQC-12 and the HD-7 but they are now out of production.

The frame lock is better than the liner lock IMO but both are good locks if made properly and to a high standard.
The frame lock obviously works in the same way as the liner but the frame lock is better because your hand actually
keeps the lock in place and is less likely to disengage the lock with a twisting motion during enthusiastic use.
The frame lock is also easier to clean being more open and having no scale to trap unwanted material.
 
Emerson's LL's are Rock-Solid! I went back to the CQC-7, from a Frame-lock.
Get one.
 
I have 2 Emersons, mini-cqc7 and the horseman, no liner lock issues, both lock up very solid. I always ask the retailer/seller to inspect the liner lock and do a light spline test. That way if there is a dud out there, you are less likely to get it.
 
emerson liner locks are as good (or bad) as any other liner locks, the current liner locks seem to be pretty good but they are not gonna be as tough as a frame lock.

nothing wrong at all with a properly fitted and executed liner lock some of the finest knives in the world have a liner lock.
 
Haze said:
The frame lock obviously works in the same way as the liner but the frame lock is better because your hand actually
keeps the lock in place and is less likely to disengage the lock with a twisting motion during enthusiastic use.
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I've read this but cannot understand the reasoning. I've had my two frame locks with solid lockup go unlocked with some twisted cutting but never my liner locks.
 
Splat said:
I've read this but cannot understand the reasoning. I've had my two frame locks with solid lockup go unlocked with some twisted cutting but never my liner locks.
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I find liner locks can nearly all be unlocked on purpose with a twisting action but frame locks are much harder to unlock that way.
I feel that makes the liner easier to unlock by accident than the frame lock.

In reality obviously things are different than when you are actually trying to unlock the knife.
I dont have any fears with either lock but I would always take a frame lock over a liner if given a choice.

A the end of the day a lock is a lock though so all are prone to potential
failure in one way or another, no matter what the type or make so that should be respected.

I personaly think, although they are very similar, the atributes of the frame lock combined make it superior to the liner.

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Which is why I wish more makers would add the LAWKS system to liner locks. I appreciate it in my CRKT M21. I realize it, like any other lock, is not 100% foolproof. It's one more thing to prevent user injury and that can't be bad though. Still, I'm very happy so far with my CQC-14 but it's only been 12 hours with it. :)
 
Splat said:
Which is why I wish more makers would add the LAWKS system to liner locks. I appreciate it in my CRKT M21. I realize it, like any other lock, is not 100% foolproof. It's one more thing to prevent user injury and that can't be bad though. Still, I'm very happy so far with my CQC-14 but it's only been 12 hours with it. :)
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I somewhat agree and disagree. I for one want a knife that will not injure its user, but I also wnat it to be FULLY functional at all times, and that includes being able to clsoe it on a moments notice.

My other view is that if your doing something in which you feel uncomfortable about using your knife or worry about it malfunctioning, you're proably using the wrong tool for the job.
 
Splat said:
Which is why I wish more makers would add the LAWKS system to liner locks. I appreciate it in my CRKT M21. I realize it, like any other lock, is not 100% foolproof. It's one more thing to prevent user injury and that can't be bad though. Still, I'm very happy so far with my CQC-14 but it's only been 12 hours with it. :)
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there is absolutely -0- reason to add lawks to a well made/well fitted liner lock, with CRKT's spotty workmanship on there liner locks sure i can see a need, but i dont think EKI needs them nor would i want them added to EKI line, i dont care for the things myself.
 
The LAWKS is why I sold my CRKT M4. It was driving me nuts. Too bad, because the M4 was a fine knife otherwise.
 
Thankfully EKI will never even consider such a thing as the "lawks".
 
spidyman said:
I somewhat agree and disagree. I for one want a knife that will not injure its user, but I also wnat it to be FULLY functional at all times, and that includes being able to clsoe it on a moments notice. My other view is that if your doing something in which you feel uncomfortable about using your knife or worry about it malfunctioning, you're proably using the wrong tool for the job.
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I can close my M21 almost as fast as I can open it. Closure speed isn't something I've ever cared about though. I definitely agree with your last statement.
 
SIFU1A said:
there is absolutely -0- reason to add lawks to a well made/well fitted liner lock, with CRKT's spotty workmanship on there liner locks sure i can see a need, but i dont think EKI needs them nor would i want them added to EKI line, i dont care for the things myself.
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The LAWKS is, IMO, such a small, clever device that aids, not totally precludes, the lock from accidental closing and that's not a bad thing. Whether it's needed or not is a judgment made by the buyer. I own knives with and without LAWKS.
 
I like the Lawks I wish they would make a more sturdy version of the Lawks to go with a thick well made liner or frame lock does anyone know of such a knife (thick well made liner/frame with a thick Lawks washer, preferably auto Lawks.)

I am skeptical of all liner locks and even frame locks if I purchase one it would always be an uncertain experience for me.
 
Splat said:
The LAWKS is, IMO, such a small, clever device that aids, not totally precludes, the lock from accidental closing and that's not a bad thing. Whether it's needed or not is a judgment made by the buyer. I own knives with and without LAWKS.
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if they are so great why dont more companies use them other than CRKT? i'm sure lake and walker would license them if someone else wanted to use them, i dont know of anyone else using the things except for CRKT and i suppose lake and walker customs, it because if the lock is fitted correctly the lawks just isnt needed, and ultimately the maker decides if its needed and they evidently side with me lol, & i bet if other folks like cold steel or BM, or whoever wanted something like that and the lawks is patented they could come up with something similar which would by pass the patent restrictions, or in some cases they could openly copy the thing, but hey if you like it cool but i dont think EKI will ever use the things, & if they do i would hope it would be "optional" as its just something i dont want.
 
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