Emerson test in knife magazine??

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I saw a picture in the EKI's myspace page.It was a shot taken from a german knife magazine, There was a broken spyderco ATR and benchmade stryker and a crkt m16 13 and also a Comander (crkt and EKI was not broken). Does anyone know what was this test about??:confused:

Does emerson test their knives regullary?? what kind of tests do they do? Lock strength?blade hardness? :confused:
 
I think I know the pics your talking about.
They are from a long time ago. IIRC that was a fairly well constructed test.

I think actual company test results are pretty well guarded and not really widely available though.
 
FWIW i dont know how a BM stryker, CRKT M16 and a commander could pass a test and the ATR would break, not a ti ATR anyway, imho the ti ATR is tougher than any of those by far.

if thats what they are insinuating anyway.

FWIW the Ti ATR is the only production i ever carry anymore, well my CQC12 some too i suppose, but other than the '12 the ATR is it, and while i carry my specwar '13 80% or so most of the remaining 20% is carrying the ATR, i have always really liked them and have 3 now, 2 PE and 1 SE, slim and lite, easy to carry, fits my hand well, top notch material (ie Ti and S30V), great lock (compression) probably my favorite non emerson knife, and certainly the very best spyderco easily, imho anyway.

i have a lotta folders, and thru the yrs have figured out what i like and what works for me, what carries well, and the top 3 are the specwar '13, the '12 and the Ti ATR, i could live and be quite happy with any of those 3 folders, and when ya have had probably ~150 or so folders thru the last 8 or 10 yrs thats not small praise imho.

they are disco'd now and hard to find and can get expensive whn ya do but if ya get a chance to try one i highly reccomend them, in fact, i hate to say it, i swapped a LNIB commander for one of the plain edges, and was happy to do it, even more happy now due to how high they have gotten lately.

the SS ATR's are "ok" too but the Ti is quite a bit better imho.
 
If its the same test I think it is it was the blades that failed and not the locks or pivots.

It basically came down to blade width, steel used and probably how good the old heat treat was as well.
 
Get an Emerson and don't worry about your blade breaking---unless you are going to abuse it in a knife test.
 
Zozo*HC* said:
I saw a picture in the EKI's myspace page.It was a shot taken from a german knife magazine, There was a broken spyderco ATR and benchmade stryker and a crkt m16 13 and also a Comander (crkt and EKI was not broken). Does anyone know what was this test about??:confused:

Does emerson test their knives regullary?? what kind of tests do they do? Lock strength?blade hardness? :confused:
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But here it is, from the horse's mouth so to speak!

Regards,
3G
 
I had a quick look for that pic yesterday but didnt even think to check for it here.... duh :foot:
 
If its the blade that broke it does not mean its something that would happen repeatable in further tests of even of same type. Each blade is close but some primary grinds are different than others and it could be a fault in the steel make up itself too for that matter. Look at any modern CNC machined product from year to year and compare difference in the grinds. The CRKT S2 is a good example. Subtle changes took place not only with the blade grind shape but the body and how it was put together. Note on the S2 that some have a visible stop pin screw on the outside while others made later don't for one such example of how one run can be slightly different. Its no different for anything else mass produced usually. Sometimes the changes are improvements or at least thought to be. Other times they don't pan out so well.

Then of course if I'm correctly remembering my own ti ATR (which I kick myself today for not keeping by the way because its a flawless folder other than a squeek in the lock from the contact now and then that was in mine!) the blade is VG10 steel and field testers of that steel have seen it literally shatter at times once that critical stress level is reached and its startling to behold when this occurs because it can just suddenly pop. Cliff Stamp demonstrated this once on something he tested also but I fail now to recall the model.

By the way. The lock on that ATR is far better and far more reliable than anything you can compare it to including the Axis Lock in my opinion. I think Spyderco should be doing a lot more like that personally because of the reliability and strength of the design. Frame lock thickness compression locks are the way to go for that style of lock. Again though thats my opinion. Believe me I've thought about it. They could even nest a replaceable hardened steel insert in the contact part of the lock to hit the blade with an equal hardness metal to increase wear rates many times over for the one issue that did sometimes come up with them, vertical play developing. With modern CNC it would be no issue to do at all really and it would simplify lock refreshment repairs down to popping the knife apart taking one worn insert out and replacing it with a new one and sending it home. About a ten minute job tops!

STR
 
SIFU1A said:
the SS ATR's are VG10, the Ti ones are S30V FWIW.
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Ok, well my mix up there. I had one of each at one time. Should have kept that ti ones though.

STR
 
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