Enigma ? ?

Uncle Alan, I think you need to give us a time frame of when things occured. It appears that this is very sudden, but I'm assuming you've had much more time to come to your decision. Put our minds at ease, and tell us how long you've known Patsy.

Either way, I congratulate you. My marriage started out as a 'charity case' as well, and I don't regret putting the time into helping my woman become a lady. When the time was right, I knew she was the one for me. God will always reward a generous heart.

Daniel (you don't know me from Adam) Dorn
 
Uncle Alan, I think you need to give us a time frame of when things occured. It appears that this is very sudden, but I'm assuming you've had much more time to come to your decision. Put our minds at ease, and tell us how long you've known Patsy.

Either way, I congratulate you. My marriage started out as a 'charity case' as well, and I don't regret putting the time into helping my woman become a lady. When the time was right, I knew she was the one for me. God will always reward a generous heart.

Daniel (you don't know me from Adam) Dorn



Dan,I met this lost soul in early July & have seen her every day since excepting weekends. She shows character,charm as well as being beautiful.I will substantiate this when I get a good photo & post it.

Resisting every argument about helping her,I finally won her over. I call it a hand "UP' ,not out .Gave her a ring today & am trying to get her to elope but she is frightened because of her first marriage & the abuse she suffered for 22 years & she has been a recluse the next 22 years.

I explained that my kids are in my will & that there will be a bountiful pile of antiques,an enormous coin collection & a stuffed gun safe dating back to the "War of Northern Agression ".

See, my desire is to get her into Champus/Va health program ,buy her life insurance & make her secondary on 2 CD'S [ $$ kind ] I own grave plots so that is covered.

I told her I would not ask her to move in until she is ready & I mean it. Since I'm not dead yet,I do still have a healthy sexual appetite. It is NOT my driving force because my loving care comes first . I explained when we married there is NO LAW making her move in . I'm gentling her along & love her so much that I'm willing watch the grains of sand trickle into my hourglass.

Most of the members think I'm nuttier than my favorite cake but I'm not.

Thank you for your interest.

Regards, Uncle [Iron head ] Alan :D
 
Uncle Sam,

Your story puts tears in my eyes. I hope the best for you.

Divorce is sometimes compared to experiencing death of a loved one. The lonliness is the worse part of divorce I think (from witnessing divorce versus first hand experience of divorce or marriage for that matter). Lonlieness is worse when retired or not involved in social activities where connections and bonding occurs.

I am a woman and I know that some of us shut down romantically -- just as men do sometimes. Allowing past hurts to invade one's presence might be an indication of larger problems though.

I pray that things work out in your best interest.
 
...lost soul...she is frightened...abuse for 22 years...recluse the next 22 years.

Uncle Alan,

You are giving a psychologically-frail woman an 8-lane freeway into your wallet (and kids' inheritance) on very brief acquaintance.

The technical term for this is "a recipe for disaster."

Give it a six months' engagement (at least).

I repeat: "Marry in haste, repent at leisure."

Best wishes,

maximus otter
 
Last year, I found myself in love with(still am, to tell the truth) a woman who I did everything under the sun for. I couldn't even begin to list everything, from house and yard work, doing stuff for her kids, some financial help, love and affection that she'd never had much of before, cards, flowers, e-cards, the works. People would probably laugh at me if I told it all. I literally spent all my time thinking of things I could do for her, and never enjoyed anything more.
We were crazy about each other, so it doesn't start the same as your story, but to keep this one short, the bottom line is that she's an emotional cripple with a huge amount of insecurity, partially due to a lifetime of bad decisions, and bad experience with men, plus a lack of love or affection in the home while growing up. Of course there's more, but that's as much as I'm going to get into, and that's enough, because it explains a lot of her behavior as the relationship progressed, from a total lack of appreciation or consideration, to accusations that all the things I did were just so I'd have something to hold over her head, etc.
She was beautiful, intelligent, sexy, and could be pretty funny, too. She's the love of my life, and still on my mind all day every day. She was my answered prayer, dream come true, and reason for waking up every day until she gradually returned to acting what I suppose is "normal" for her, which is a freaking psycho in my estimation.
Like I said, I'm still in love with her. Right now, without a second of hesitation, I'd kill for her, or die for her, but I walked away 4 months ago because she was killing me, and haven't spoken to her since.
I ignored a lot of red flags for things to go as far as they did. Some things I thought I could fix, others I thought enough love and affection could cure.
Our relationship did start out great, so maybe I have a little bit of an excuse(maybe), but you sound like you're forcing a relationship that doesn't even have anything going for it to begin with. I'm not saying that it isn't possible for someone to change, but you can't do it. You can help, but they have to realize what is wrong in their lives, and be willing to put forth a tremendous amount of effort themselves. Change is hard.
Just remember, it takes two, and you ARE supposed to get something positive out of it, too. If I want to do something totally selfless, that can't be repaid, I do it for elderly members of my family, or families that I know. I expect a lot more from someone that I want to live my life with on a day-to-day basis.
 
Owen ,it is a terrible pain . Patsy has been on a slow downward spiral since she fled her home to a refuge in the air force.

First she became pregnant & married the snake . The abuse continued along with his womanizing. Then came the moving in with his blind mother & caring for her 5 years . Her EX went on & ruined the lives of four other womem.

When the Mom died she & the kids were thrown out on the street but fortunately she had secured an excellent position with a paint & glass company about 6 years prior & was able to handoe the fanily affairs & get the kids through school.

The glass company was sold & without notice ,further down to the pits. Kids were up & gone & she got an under the counter paying minimum wage-no benefits job.

No help from her kids & no health or life insurance , no retirement & less than $700 a month Social Security. Mini apartment in a decaying area,no transportation foot & back problems . Okay since she was in service she went to VA & received the same treatment that I got--no records. Her DD-214 burned in a house fire & her AFSN was issued to someone else so she remains ineligible for any VA help .

How she has retained her sanity is beyond my comprehension ! The main problem is she is afraid,not of me but she has been a hermit for 20 + & she is not sure she can ever live with anyone again.

I asked her to spend a day here & I'll take her back to her place at night & try to gradually ease her back into the mainstream.Her minimal amount of furniture will fit in my 12 X 42 enclosed tile back porch & when she gets acclimated she can use what she wants & give the remainder to her kids.

We need to marry so she can get into the VA system as my spouse & have her breast lump attended to . She is a bit behind in her rent & her current employers have cut her back to 2 six hour days.

I suggested we get her here & I'd either catch her rent up & pay it just so she won't feel she is being forced & wants to go back.

{Maximus ,Glockman & others ; she will sign a pre-nup giving her half of my savings if she cannot cope. She will have a year to adjust. At least I'll give her a leg-up ! ]

Uncle Alan :D
 
How totally romantic and sweet and wise. Some things we want are not always good for us. I've been on both sides of this as a woman (the one more in love and the one not as much in love)...the desire has to be equal between the two people for it to be real. My famous excuse when I want out...I attack myself and try to make the other see something wrong or differences. If I want in...I wait on the man hand and foot and would do most anything to be with him. If you aren't getting what you are giving -- there is a disbalance (not talking about material things).

OwenM--You will find a woman to truly apprecriate you. :)

Last year, I found myself in love with(still am, to tell the truth) a woman who I did everything under the sun for. I couldn't even begin to list everything, from house and yard work, doing stuff for her kids, some financial help, love and affection that she'd never had much of before, cards, flowers, e-cards, the works. People would probably laugh at me if I told it all. I literally spent all my time thinking of things I could do for her, and never enjoyed anything more.
We were crazy about each other, so it doesn't start the same as your story, but to keep this one short, the bottom line is that she's an emotional cripple with a huge amount of insecurity, partially due to a lifetime of bad decisions, and bad experience with men, plus a lack of love or affection in the home while growing up. Of course there's more, but that's as much as I'm going to get into, and that's enough, because it explains a lot of her behavior as the relationship progressed, from a total lack of appreciation or consideration, to accusations that all the things I did were just so I'd have something to hold over her head, etc.
She was beautiful, intelligent, sexy, and could be pretty funny, too. She's the love of my life, and still on my mind all day every day. She was my answered prayer, dream come true, and reason for waking up every day until she gradually returned to acting what I suppose is "normal" for her, which is a freaking psycho in my estimation.
Like I said, I'm still in love with her. Right now, without a second of hesitation, I'd kill for her, or die for her, but I walked away 4 months ago because she was killing me, and haven't spoken to her since.
I ignored a lot of red flags for things to go as far as they did. Some things I thought I could fix, others I thought enough love and affection could cure.
Our relationship did start out great, so maybe I have a little bit of an excuse(maybe), but you sound like you're forcing a relationship that doesn't even have anything going for it to begin with. I'm not saying that it isn't possible for someone to change, but you can't do it. You can help, but they have to realize what is wrong in their lives, and be willing to put forth a tremendous amount of effort themselves. Change is hard.
Just remember, it takes two, and you ARE supposed to get something positive out of it, too. If I want to do something totally selfless, that can't be repaid, I do it for elderly members of my family, or families that I know. I expect a lot more from someone that I want to live my life with on a day-to-day basis.
 
Her DD-214 burned in a house fire

her AFSN was issued to someone else so she remains ineligible for any VA help .

We need to marry so she can get into the VA system as my spouse & have her breast lump attended to .

She is a bit behind in her rent .

I'd either catch her rent up & pay it.

she will sign a pre-nup giving her half of my savings.

Uncle, I hope you are doing the right thing here, but I fear you are not.

If you were a mate telling me this over a pint, I would slap your head and tell you to run a mile.

"A second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience."

Dr. Samuel Johnson

maximus otter
 
Took Patricia to the doctor yesterday & it was what I suspected. Since she was wearing an engagement ring he asked if she wanted me to stay during the exam. She wanted me there & that's where I should be.

The mass was worse than I ever imagined. Measuring 5 X 3 inches North to South ,it felt as hard as one of those plastic food-saver containers .It was greyish light brown at the bottom & purpled going upwards.

Doctor dismissed it as a cyst immediately because a cyst feels like old hardened jell-o.Then he tried to poo-poo it by saying the mammogram [sp?] might show it was benign but I fail to believe that. A biopsy is in order & we are waiting for a call to have these procedures done.

I still want to get her in Champus-VA but she is stalling our marriage,not wanting me to be responsible for any extra expenses . I'm telling her today that I will tell her adult children & they might be able to Baker-Act her. They haven't a clue about this.

I have an insurance policy on her now & named a son as beneficary[ as it should be.] I have a nice savings & several substantial collections,guns & coins are readily marketable . Antiques are slow movers but you hit a long ball when you find a buyer. We know the frenzy when we find a treasure & are often reluctant to even try a counteroffer.

I have been courting her since late July & believe that Maximus' 6 months wait has been almost full-filled. Time IS of the essence now. She insists on a zero financian pre-nup to show she is in love with me, not my assets .

Along with any slings & arrows I would appreciate sincere prayers.

Uncle Alan
 
Prayers sent. Best of luck Alan. I hope it IS benign.
 
Prayers sent for your lady, Uncle Alan. You know what you're doing, hopefully everyone makes it out okay in the end. Remember those who have spoken only do so out of the kindness of their heart.
 
Thank God.

She is packing Saturday to move in to her home with Honey dog & I. I wish I could tell you how I love
her.
We cuddled recently & it was a new experience for her. She said," so this is part of a loving marriage,it's great & I feel so loved & protected."

Now my prayer is '"Loving God, thank you for rewarding me for my years of serving you & man. Your lovely child has had a life of abuse,sadness & loss of worth ." Lord ,I told her You didn't create any junk ." " Please Lord, protect her from her medical problem & I'll make her remaining days a sea of love & tranquility.

We want a quiet marriage shortly so that I can enroll in the VA Health Care System & get her exclent care.

I pray for my loving ,caring friends here. You are a great family !

Uncle Alan Tearfuly:D joyful .
 
Patricia is packing her meagre belongings as I write this. I asked her to negotiate her arrears rent & have her pro-rate this month's & we came out exceedingly well because her landlady said that she had been a faithful tenant & that she always managed to keep her word & catch up as promised .

Hopefully she will be home & we may have lunch together tomorrow .It was a good courtship & toward her surrender the barriers fell more swiftly.

I love her & cherish her as I do my friends here.Heartfelt thanks for your pro- & con remarks. It gave me better focus .

Now we are waiting for a phone call from the hospital to have tests performed. I'll give them until mid-morning Monday & then I'll start tail-twisting for sure !

I am praying for benign tests. Please join me in asking a loving God to spare her because she has suffered so many years . I cried when we cuddled & was told she had never been held like this & this gave utter comfort knowing my strong,loving protective arms were there.

Uncle Alan
 
Patsy is almost done packing so she should be " Coming home " in the morning. She found her Honorable & DD-214 just now ! Evidently copies were in her home when it burned to the ground .

Now we can get her an appointment at the Gainesville,Fl. VA Hospital .Adjacent is Shands Teaching Hospital where they have made improvements on prosthetics & invented the "warm 'n form "body brace/limiter that I've been using since 1978.

This will enable her to attend the VAC [Va clinic ] w ith me & we can arrange for our visits so we can go together.


The appointment/physical will take most of a day & possibly will involve Shands because their teaching doctors are the cream of the medical field. I am elated !


Uncle Alan :D
 



Thank the Lord, Patsy has finally come home . we are delirious to finally be together .



Tomorrow I go for bloodwork at VAC Daytona Beach & Patsy takes her entrance paperwork at the same time .


Thank you,my forum family for the support & understanding .


Uncle Alan . :D This has been the best day of my life & tomorrow looks even better !
 
I will keep sending you two prayers and good thoughts!




Monday at dark :30 we're driving to VA hsopital ,Ga inesville & immedistely head to the trauma emergency room .

I am not the only one worrying because the huge wall sign reads," WE CARE " & they mean it . Thank God & our

government !

Prayers requested .




Uncle Alan
 
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