Ernie, please read.

Originally posted by mr44
EKI's liners are paper-thin, and the evidence seems to show that a ductile metal like Ti is not a very suitable material for a
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I just can't agree with that they are "paper thin".

I'd like them thicker too, just because i like'em thicker, just like burgers...
I've owned quite a few EKI knives and have had few concerns/problems with them, even though i have used/abused them quite a lot.
My SOCFK and P-SARK has been put through some rough daily use and they are as solid today as they were when they were new.

I totally agree that you shouldn't have to send something back that you just bought, but can you honestly find any company that has never had something sent in to be fixed?

Trust me, i know all too well about custom fees and expensive shipping...
 
Hey Mr. 44 don't worry about getting taxed or charged duty on a warranty repair. In the last month, i sent my Kershaw Boa back to the factory for repair, it came back unfixed, No Charges.

I called them and they sent me out a brand new Boa, and guess what, no charges.

Warranty issues of this sort aren't subject to taxes or duties.
You'll just have to live with the other pain in the ass reasons.

:D

p.s. label your packages "cutlery - warranty repair" or of the sort.
 
yup I am all wrong.... just wait til you send me a Emerson for custom work bubba... pink liners with yellow G10 on one side and brown on the other with a anodized red backspacer......


:D :eek:
 
I will wade in with my opinion and my opinion only. Ihave over the past few yrs owned quite a few EKI's. No customs mind you but the production versions. These include the Commander line both large and small, MachI, 3 CQC7's, 2 Ravens, and that little hooked LaGriffe. The LaGriffe imho is the most useless piece of steel yet devised. This was made out of 154cm and for the life of me I couldn't figure out how to even get it remotely sharp.

Handle ergo's are second to none. They just feel good in the average hand.

Chisel grinds:
Dull Chisel grind sucks plain and simple. You can tell me all you want about how the chisel cuts even when dull. Well I don't see it. I have experimented with a Commaner full size cutting various things from rump roasts to trying to cut through a blanket line Carhart work coat. Now take that same knife, reprofile the blade down to a true chisel edge and you have something. Did this on my most recent CQC7, but had it done professionaly and voila. I can literally shave with it and it seems to be a robust edge to boot. The key here is I had it professionally done.


Handle ego's:
Lock up is always an issue on any liner lock. I feel that the EKI's are very easy to work on and they don't void the warranty if you do. I will say the BEST lock up of any EKI prod. I have owend believe it or not have been on the Ravens I own. These two a spear point p.s. and a tanto p.s. have stood up to some very good and heavy use with no complaints. The lock up on both is left of center and has not moved one iota through repested openings and closings at all. For some reason they are very easy to get sharp and keep sharp. Not like my CQC sharp but still hair poppin.

Hype:
Now as for all the hype surrounding the EKI line well that is just what it is hype pure and simple. I have any number of commercially made folders that I think are much more inlclined to heavy duty use and much more user friendly. User friendly in this case means out in the woods and maybe touching up the edge of the knife on a hand held hone I carry. Two that come to mind are the CS Pro Lite lg and my S2K. Both are bullet proof and are big heavy in the hand feeling folders and take and hold edge. Believe it or not the Pro Lite holds it edge pretty decently for 440A. At least this has been my observation when stump shooting and digging arrows out of stumps etc. I have beat on them with small branches/clubs to make deep v cuts to unsecure an arrow with no ill effects on either knife. Torqued them pretty good to with no liner lock failure either. Truthfully haven't tried this with my EKI's but I think that comes from confidence in the build. These two particualr knive as stated are pretty robust in blade thickness, liner thickness and lock up and just a general sense of heavy dutyness to them.


As for the self defense thing well I am not a martialist with a knife by any stretch but the tests I have conducted for my own satisfaction lead me to conclude that using a knife for s.d. is ultimately a mind set thing. Do you have the balls to cut, stab, or hack someone? Tall order. I have found that my EKI's are not the best for this purpose. Now this is for me. They are liner locks, they have a small blade with no reach, and it depends if you can get sharp enough to cut through material be it wool, canvas, or leather. If I had to pick one of the folding knives I have for s.d. it would be my CS XLG Voyager clip point p.e. It has a bit of reach, gets scary sharp, locksup like a bank vault and no matter what kind of death grip you put on it it aint' gonna accidently close. But all this being said is the reason I have a ccw and have had it for almost 30 yrs. I don't carry a blade for s.d., I carry it for general every day cutting, which the EKI's seem to excell at if sharpened properly.

Now if all you formites want the best made production liner locking folder made today get a S2K. Had to put this in there. :)

Conclusion:
There is alot of hype surrounding the EKI line. Alot of it deserved just on what I have read about Mr. Emerson. Some of it not deserved. The thing is from what I have read is that he does stand behind his product 100% no matter what. That is probably the biggest plus I have seen of any manufacture'er. Bottom line is that the knives are adequate for what the intended purpose is for and that is for general cutting chores provided they are sharpened correctly. I don't personally think they would stand up to alot of pounding on like my S2K or the Pro Lite. Again haven't tried it but they just don't instill the confidence to do so. Your experience may be different. They don't make that great of s.d. tools imho because of the lack of reach thing but they do have great customer service and the people that own them take great pride in doing so. Alot to be said about that. Keep'em sharp and Happy New Year.
 
This post is in response to all this general bitching. Look, in the end its all a matter of taste. Why are all you guys saying its all about hype. Its always like attack the guy on top. I have owned plenty of Emersons, I have never had a problem.

And in my opinion I think that Emerson knives are more of a fighting knife because of the chisel edge. Have you heard of Richard Marcinko (Navy Seal)? Before Emerson had the production line and he was just custom, he was making the CQC 6. RM carried this thing for fighting. In my opinion I think the the chisel hapmers cutting a little for anything other than cuttin flesh. It makes the blade pull to one side, cut some cardboard you'll see. But its very easy to sharpen, you only have to sharpen one side.

And for user friendly, you mentioned those other folders. You can do the same to the Emerson knives, jeez if your going to complain make it valid. I bet his knives are more user friendly. What type of screws are on those knives you mentioned? Can you take them apart or adjust them with a simple screw driver. And as far as beating the knives you have with a twig, big deal, I have beat my Socfk (on the spine) with a 5 pound sledge hammer to cut the little rings holding the lid on the 5 gal buckets. I have done this loads of times, with no dents or damage what so ever, only thing it did was get the job done.

The self defense thing is not just a mind set. Try and take a knife that has a spear point and puch it through body armor, I bet it would be hard to do, especially if its a cheap columbia river knife. But take a CQC7 tanto and I bet you just might be able to do it. The Commamders blade was made to cut better than a regular spear point. So it would cut deeper into flesh. Why else would you need that big ass belly, because it looks cool.

Well what ever, I just tired of hearing all this bitching about this and that. If you have a problem try and fix it, another than just talking ****. Lots of people are content with their Emersons and have had none of this problems everyone is making a big deal of. Look if its a quality issue call EKI and try and resolve it. Dont come and bitch to get a response.

Ban me or whatever, I just telling the truth.

Edited: What you cant even say ****?
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Matt
 
You opinion is noted sir. Emersons are not for everyone , Benchmade is not for everyone , Spyderco is not for everyone. We have many choices to choose from , which is what makes this knife world so great.

2004 - the year we will have to agree to disagree.

I sure can't change your mind and you more than likely can't change mine. Are Emerson's purfect...hell no but neither is any other brand.

In the end as long as we all keep the passion for the blade , that is all that matters.

Happy New Year !
 
Hey John, Happy New Year. Sorry I just couldnt take it any more. I might be wrong but I just had to get it out.

BTW Emerson strives to keep it all USA made (god bless him). So what a better reason to support your country. And you wont find the wave any where else.

Matt
 
Sniper my whole point is that certain knives float peoples boats more than others. I ain't bitching either. Just stating the facts as I have seen them. My Commander wouldn't cut through my carhart that is blanket lined. I took a CS and if I remember correctly a Zytel Magna lite that did. Extremely easily. As for cutting through body armour I don't believe it for one minute about a chisel tip doing it any esier than any other sharply pointed knife. Never seen it done and truthfully I have no desire to do that. Beating on my SERE/Pro Lite with a small hand held piece of wood I have done many times with no ill effect whatsoever. Maybe I am using the wrong technique so they should break beats me. I also know that these are the only folding knives I have done this with. Just picked up a Buck Strider that seems to be so overbuilt that it is about bullet proof. But again I haven't been stump shooting for awhile so I haven't done that with it.

I know there are also alot more qualified individuals than me that have both a pro and con opinion about them. There must be something to them I admit as I still own 4 of them. I also don't foresee any cutting of flesh as you state the deep bellied chisel grind is made for. I know I can take just about any double ground knife I own and get it sharp to the point that it is more than useable in the field. Can't with the EKI's except for the clip point Raven I have. I have tried for hours on end to do the chisel grind sharpening thing and just must not have the co-ordiantion for it. Taking it to a profesional helped a ton on my CQC7. I can now keep that like a razor.

As for Richard Marcenko I never meant him and don't know if he used his knife in combat or whatever. I know the Rogue Warrior series is a fiction based account of his SEAL team. I also know that none of the EKI's I have currently except for the CQC will stick point first into a cutting board, not even the tanto raven. The only reason I can see the CQC being able to do it now is that point was taken down to around 20 deg as the edge was. Maybe not that far but close. This thinned the point out so now it won't just dent the wood but actually stick albeit not that well, but enough to make it stand upright.

AS stated I currently own 4 of them but if I knew I was going in harms way and had a choice of taking any folder I currently own it would be the SERE. My preferance not yours I udnerstand-but that is what makes the world go round. Life is a choice and who am I to disagree with what you should choose or even what you have said. Keep'em sharp
 
SEREs imho arent the best thing since sliced bread, heck i had one and sold it. didnt like it. does that make all al mars bad???

greg
 
I think the original SERE's when Al Mar was alive were awesome as were alot of his other knives. I dont care for the changes that were made.
Hey not every knife is for everybody, if it was, we wouldnt need all these companies and makers.
When you discuss Emerson's, you need to differentiate between the customs and productions because they are 2 different animals. I havent had any of the productions except a Raven I bought for one of my sons, but I've had 10-12 of his customs and loved every one of them.
If you're looking for an all around pocketknife for stuff like whittling,etc, why would you buy a chisel ground knife? These knives are made for different purposes, where the chisel grind is excellent. Stop trying to make them something they're not.
Personally I always carry 2 or 3 knives. Always my CQC 6 in a sheath on my back in case of self defense. For utility and everyday tasks I carry my Carson model 4 and Jones Brothers JK29. Choose the right tool for the right job!

Happy New Year All!
 
Why heck no Sniper. That is what I am saying whatever floats your boat. I just happen to think that all things considered with the SERE as for fit and finish and steel used it is imho the BEST liner locking folder made today. I have had mine since they first came out and I have heard that some had lock up problems. Mine doesn't and neither did the second one I bought. I look at the overall quality of the build on a knife and after owning dozens of others I feel for me and what I like in a liner lockig folder the high end fit and finish of this knife as well as how it locks up you just can't find a better made liner locking folder made today. That includes the Buck/Strider knives. These are extremely robust in design and bullett proof but the fit and finish goes to the SERE. Does that make one better than the other? Probably not in real world use but it shows up in pride of ownership I believe. I mean look at the polish on the liners, the chamfer on the edges of the handle slabs, how the liner engages the back of the tang and the thickness of the blade and liners and how easily the blade moves on the pivot, etc. etc. Now if they would only come with a 4.5 or 5" bladed SERE of this design I wouldn't probably buy another knife ever! Well maybe not ever but you get my drift. Keep'em sharp
 
I sure would like to have an emerson...chisel grind or not...Mr. Emerson seems to be a very stand up character and so should he be. It takes guts to hop into the tactical knife community and come out ahead after the whole continent of china is trying to rip you off. I will indeed someday have an emerson...but right now I am broke. But little boys like me can dream right?
 
Guys I noticed a lot of statements toward the middle of the post about aaron (I don't know him personally). Here is my beef we can sit back and attack him for what he says but truth be told he represents a large amout of not Knife nuts but lets call them knife enthusist. You know who i mean those people that love cool knives and never take the time to find out what a good knife is. Recently I had someone tell me that CRKT was as good as any benchmade this bothers me. Why not because i feel CRKT is a bad knife but in my limited experience you usually get what you pay for. This could be anything from steel to the fact that it is a good old american made knife. Most people don't see the difference in these knives and to make fun of his age is pointless in my mind because so many people of all ages have this same oppinion. The age factor can only be seen through the fact that he was crazy enough to post here with that opinion. I'm 21, young and dumb in the eyes of the world and yes even in my own eyes i can tell I have ideas that won't work in the real world. We are here to educate and help those like me that love knives and want to learn what it means to be a knife nut. I believe in Emerson and the company he has made why because he has placed his name directly on the knife. I'm not sure i would want that for myself because it carries a great responsiblity. He has taken that responciblity serious and handled it well. If there was nothing bad being said i would be more concerned than with the few complains I have see. Nothing is perfect especially when it comes to production iteams. The question i have is what do you do when you see those few errors in your production do you sweep them under the carpet or do you ask what went wrong and work to correct it. I think Emerson has done every thing he can to make sure his product is worth the money we spend, and to make sure his name doesn't lose value. He says that we pay for the name your damn right I pay for a name especially when i know that name is guarded with as much pride as Emerson place in his.
 
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