Esee 5 vs Ontario Rat 5?

Yes, but how often do you have to cut your way through a fuselage or pry open an airdropped crate? I'd much rather go with the ESEE 6, with the thinner steel, lighter weight and more appropriate geometry.

With a great deal of my almost 60 years of hiking, distance hiking, hunting, fishing, and goofing off outdoors, I have never had to chop my way out of a bus, a downed aircraft, a ship wreck or fight a zombie. In hikes lasting as long as 10 days in remote areas, I have never found myself alone, lost, at the mercy of the elements with my knife being relied on as my savior. Those conditions however, are a consideration for many.

I quit posting them, but I used to add the survival stories of real survivors to the mix when the need for a "hard use knife that could take anything I could throw at it" came up. They were quite different from the daydreams of office workers, cubicle dwellers, and those that get to wear casual clothes to work. Never, ever, in the years I was watching those stories did I ever see one posted where large, thick, obtusely ground sheath knife saved them. I did see story after story though, of folks that stayed calm, thought things through, and didn't take any unnecessary chances to compound their dilemma. Even had a great story last year of a 10 year old boy that was lost in the forest for 4 - 5 days in freezing weather with no food. No knife was involved. Thankfully, he was a Boy Scout, and had some kind of woods experience.

After challenging the sharpened crowbar crowd to find any story where their knives were justified as a real, honest, survival knife that was the most important factor to a survival story, there were none. And certainly there was NOTHING as dramatic as cutting one's way out of any kind of wreckage. Nor was there one instance of being lost, left behind, and building a shelter to withstand the elements from trees chopped down with the survival knife when between duties of batoning wood for fires.

That didn't stop me from buying the RAT5, though. I bought mine in D2, as I am a sucker for D2. I found that the more I used the knife, the more I liked it, and the 3/16'' thick blade is PLENTY for me. That being said, I use my knives primarily as cutting tools. In my mind, a 5" blade is too small to be an effective chopper anyway.

But one should buy what one wants. For the folks that want the RAT, good! For the guys that have the extra scratch and want the ESEE, good! This thread was started as a simple request for opinions, and the old Blade Forums edginess of "this is why I am right, and you are wrong" meaning, "my opinion counts here, not yours" seems to be creeping in to it.

Robert
 
I've got the ESEE and love it. Its my "I feel like doing something stupid" knife.

 
Its cool Craytab, I am not trying to call anybody out here just wanting to get back to the subject.

I am sure you have good reason to chose like you have and I respect your decisions as you know what is best for you.

I myself am not a fan of this design so if I did vote it would be the RAT 5 as I don't believe an extra $75 would justify anything different. In other words to me both are only a $75 knife so I don't see paying $150 for a knife that is not any better than the $75 knife. In theory, thought, and post the ESEE may be better but put two of them on a stump in front of me in the woods and tell me to chose one chances are I would pick the thinner knife because to me unless it is a Marine Raider I consider a 1/4 inch knife poop especially if it has removable scales.

In reality the only thing the RAT 5 has going for it is the low price and why to me it is the correct choice to get.

I myself would scrap both knives and get a 499 Air Force Survival knife but its a free country and he can make his own list.

Cool then. I find that having a better sheath, better warranty, better heat treat, and better fit/finish is worth the extra money. You don't. That's fine.

And for actual use I would take my Esee 6, Bravo 1 or 2, or Esee Junglas over my 5 any day. They are all much better at being knives. The 5 is fun to have though...

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Is it a Lincoln Navigator or a Ford Excursion? I can only speak for the 3's and 4's- I own both. Pick a color and go!

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Never was an appropriate analogy. Excursion is larger than the Navigator. Navigator is Lincoln's version of the Expedition. Lincoln has been a subsidiary of Ford since 1922, or about 98% of Lincoln's existence (founded in 1917). Sorry, I'm a car nut as well as a knife knut.
 
You are correct....My point was that they are so similar...Does it really matter?

Like I have said several times in this thread the Esee will have a better sheath, better warranty, better heat treat, and better fit/finish. The sheath alone is worth the difference in price. Crappy nylon sheaths piss me off!
 
Esee has the availability of TKC handles :D
Which make them super ergonomic and comfy to use.

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As an aside, neither knife is very well suited to bushcraft. If your heart is set on an ESEE, a 3/4/6/Laser Strike will better suit your needs.
 
I had an ESEE 5. I traded it for an ESEE 6. That alone should tell you a lot about
my opinion of the subject. ESEE makes great quality products with great design and an
amazing warranty. But, just my opinion, the 5 is only really good for it's intended
purpose, a prybar. For a great bushcraft and survival blade that can do anything
reasonable and almost anything else too, while still cutting very well, get an ESEE 4.
I edc one and love it. But, that's just my opinion.
Which ever one you choose, I'm sure it'll serve you well. Hope you like it.
 
Like I have said several times in this thread the Esee will have a better sheath, better warranty, better heat treat, and better fit/finish. The sheath alone is worth the difference in price. Crappy nylon sheaths piss me off!

You made your point. You are an extreme ESEE fanboy. We get it!

Your disdain for those that don't share you views is apparent.

You know, we're just talking knives here, no need to get "pissed off" at something you probably don't even own.

I find the sheath on the RAT5 to be serviceable, not great. It has lasted well, and when it is gone I will probably suit my own preference by having a nice leather sheath made, not a couple of screwed together pieces of plastic. If one does want a plastic/kydex sheath for a RAT5, they can be purchased at a couple of approved BF vendors at a very reasonable price, still putting it well under the price of the ESEE products.

That being said, I can say personally, I respect the opinion of the others and won't berate or criticize their purchases if they buy what they want. I think as adults, we are all allowed our opinions and ideas, even if others can't/won't/refuse to respect them.

I encourage the OP to buy what he wants, and ignore the pointless static about car companies, etc.

Robert
 
I just got my ESEE 5 in today and love it, with a Tek Lok it rides just right on the side and this thing will hold up to anything, it is now my new EDC, love it. I personally like a heavy over built knife that will blast through anything you slam it against. I have a flipper in my left pocket for the detail stuff.
 
Ford vs. Lincoln? Where are the days of simple analogy's such as Coke and Pepsi, Big Mack or Whopper. My goodness, just the wiring diagram alone would take a week to determine the difference.


Sorry about that... I'm not a car nut- I surrender! :D
 
You made your point. You are an extreme ESEE fanboy. We get it!

Ah yes, the old "you're a fan boy" argument. Great work their sherlock. Despite what you have posted in this thread I will not return the favor of calling you a fanboy because that would be stupid.

Your disdain for those that don't share you views is apparent.

Wow, you read disdain in my posts? Seriously? I wonder what your reaction is to real disdain...

You know, we're just talking knives here, no need to get "pissed off" at something you probably don't even own.

Do you know we are just talking about knives? No need to get so upset. I am pissed off at great knives with bad sheaths. You are pissed at a fellow knife enthusiast who has a different opinion than yours.

I find the sheath on the RAT5 to be serviceable, not great. It has lasted well, and when it is gone I will probably suit my own preference by having a nice leather sheath made, not a couple of screwed together pieces of plastic.

So, is this you taking a shot at kydex sheaths? Good work. I don't like leather sheaths but you don't see me on here bagging on them.

If one does want a plastic/kydex sheath for a RAT5, they can be purchased at a couple of approved BF vendors at a very reasonable price, still putting it well under the price of the ESEE products.

Now you have evoked the classic "we have great vendors/makers here on BFC" in order to further your argument. Good on ya. That makes you the winner!

That being said, I can say personally, I respect the opinion of the others and won't berate or criticize their purchases if they buy what they want. I think as adults, we are all allowed our opinions and ideas, even if others can't/won't/refuse to respect them.

Well Robert, what exactly have you done here. How have I berated any purchasing choices? And being critical is what the OP came here for. That is what I did. I gave my opinion. Sorry you don't like it. The only thing I got a little off on was the sheath, because it is a crappy bull snot sheath, IMHO of course :D
 
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