ESEE and Ontario knives question?

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Txknifefan

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Hey everyone I have a serious question between ESEE and Ontario Knife Co. I never have known very much about the two other than I remember OKC has been around for some time. What is the real difference between the ESEE line and the OKC Rat knives? About the only thing I can see a difference in is the pricing. Is one better than the other ergonomically? Does one have a better fit and finish out of the box? What's the real difference between the two besides the name on the blade? :confused:
 
ESEE has a better F&F, Heat Treat, and sheaths, excellent warranty.
 
Idk about any of the other ESEE/RAT, but the ESEE3 has a longer handle then the RAT3, and its a thinner blade stock then the RAT3, feels better in the hand to me. And +1 everything foxx said.
 
If you needed a reason to choose esee, look no farther. Go here :thumbup:

I hardly doubt ontario has an anti narcotics knife. Duh winning.
 
I love the new ESEE's and I love weed. Anti narcotics is good because the same people making that dope make meth and cocaine. Who news their ganja is probably laced with meth so I say +1 on the junglas anti narcotics
 
mike81695 said:
Who news their ganja is probably laced with meth so I say +1 on the junglas anti narcotics
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Yeah, the dope makers likely do mix meth and cocaine with the weed because it probably helps there bottom line,,,,,,ummm,,,,, wait what :confused: I need some dorritos.
 
I am looking at the OKC variations on the EESE 6 and liking the RBS6 for the price. I have looked at the OKC site and other distributers and can not seem to get a straight answer on what kind of steel OKC use. Their ad copy says 1095, 5061, or 1075 depending on where you look. What is it? Not that is really matters much at this price point but it's nice to compare.

RBS-6 Tan Micarta
Description

The hawk series feature 1075 carbon steel and black texture powder coated blades. Black nylon sheath is included.
Specifications
National Stock Number (NSN) -
Edge Type Plain
Lock Type Fixed
Deployment Mechanism -
Pocket Clip Configurations -
Hardness 53-55 HRC
Overall Length 11.5 in (29 cm)
Closed Length -
Weight 12.8 oz (0.36 kg)
Blade Length 6.5 in (16.5 cm)
Blade Material 1095 Carbon Steel
Blade Grind Flat
Blade Angle
Blade Thickness 0.19 in (0.48 cm)
Blade Color Gray
Blade Finish Powder Coat
Blade Stamp RD-6 BUSH / ONTARIO USA
Handle Color Tan
Handle Material Micarta
Handle Thickness 0.77 in (2 cm)
Sheath Type MOLLE Compatible
Sheath Color Black
Sheath Material Nylon + Kydex
Packaging Type Plastic Bag
Packaged Dimensions 15 in x 3 in x 2 in (38 cm x 8 cm x 2 cm)
Shipping Weight
Release Date -
Country of Origin United States of America

And from a different distributer:
Knife Type: Fixed Blade
Series: Ranger
Blade Type: Clip Point
Blade Thickness: .187"
Tang: Full
Origin: USA
Total Length: 11.877"
Blade Length: 6"
Weight: 12.7 OZ
Handle Material: Tan Canvas Micarta
Blade-Steel: Grey Powder Coated 5160 Carbon Steel
Rockwell Hardness: 57-58 rc
Warranty: Lifetime Against Material & Workmanship Defects
 
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I read an article about the 2nd generation stuff from Ontario. In that, it was discussed that they hired a new guy to oversee the procduction of these knives. Part of his presence was to get the heat treat right.
I had their Kukri and still have their Survival machete, bothl 1st generation, and they have a good HT. (read, they hold an edge) But, I also have 3 RD series Ontarios. The RD Hawk is good, for a tough hawk, I can get it sharp. It's the RD4 and the Afghan that are too soft, they don't get that sharp, and they both dull pretty fast. Those two are supposed to be 5160, and my experience with that, is that it should take and hold a great edge.
So, I'd be concerned with the RAT stuff, because the quality control wan't there. That's why there was a split in the first place. With ESEE you aren't just getting better F&F, nicer sheaths, but you're getting the correct HT for the steel used.
I like certain products from Ontario, but they make so many products, so many different steels and HT's, and at least some portions of their operation is mixing up steels or just not doing the HT correctly, IMO.
 
I think they are both good, i read reviews on some ontario marine type knives, ive read how people abused the hell out of them & they are still fine(sp1 types).great knives for the money.
 
ESEE is a fantastic company run by honest people who follow their own path. That path isn't for everyone. But if you're going to choose between an ESEE or an Ontario, get an ESEE. Better heat treatment, better fit/finish, better warranty.

The crazy "venom green" line is a temporary addition for the folks who are into the whole high-viz aspect. Their anti-narcotics thing is because the Junglas was designed for and named after the Colombian special forces of the same name who are fighting the uphill battle to demolish Colombia's illegal drug industry. Not sure how that got connected to marijuana eradication.
 
FYI: Growing marijuana is an agricultural pursuit. Making meth is a lab pursuit. Generally the two don't mix. Why would you bother?
 
xylum said:
FYI: Growing marijuana is an agricultural pursuit. Making meth is a lab pursuit. Generally the two don't mix. Why would you bother?
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Colombia is best known for their cocaine production, which is both agricultural AND woods-lab based in its manufacture. The drug is ultimately derived from the coca plant, but goes through a long chain of truly disgusting chemical processes in primitive "labs" in the jungle.

Like I said, I'm not sure how the whole marijuana eradication thing came into play, other than a lot of DEA folks liking the ESEE line.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
Colombia is best known for their cocaine production, which is both agricultural AND woods-lab based in its manufacture. The drug is ultimately derived from the coca plant, but goes through a long chain of truly disgusting chemical processes in primitive "labs" in the jungle.

Like I said, I'm not sure how the whole marijuana eradication thing came into play, other than a lot of DEA folks liking the ESEE line.
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Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of marijuana and meth. I'm not was well versed on coca production.
 
xylum said:
Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of marijuana and meth. I'm not was well versed on coca production.
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I only know thanks to National Geographic specials. :p

Seriously, the process of making that stuff is DISGUSTING. :barf:
 
Thanks everyone for the input, so basically I see ESEE is a more quality product from the majority here. Interesting little piece you guys have brought up with the DEA and ESEE. After I clicked on the link in dericdesmond post I got a laugh at the magazine cover "weed whacker".
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
I only know thanks to National Geographic specials. :p

Seriously, the process of making that stuff is DISGUSTING. :barf:
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Could be a different drug I am thinking about. But I seen one episode where the natives spit in it during the process to make it a paste.
 
Txknifefan said:
Thanks everyone for the input, so basically I see ESEE is a more quality product from the majority here. Interesting little piece you guys have brought up with the DEA and ESEE. After I clicked on the link in dericdesmond post I got a laugh at the magazine cover "weed whacker".
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You really can't go wrong with either one.
 
B.Mauser said:
Click the link in post #4 and you will see.
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You misunderstand. I meant I don't know how marijuana has anything to do with narcotics, and likewise how that applies to their knives. The Junglas as an anti-narcotics knife makes sense. Marijuana as a narcotic does not make sense. So connecting marijuana with an anti-narcotics knife does not make sense. :p
 
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