ESEE and Ontario knives question?

[B.Mauser]

You misunderstand. I meant I don't know how marijuana has anything to do with narcotics, and likewise how that applies to their knives. The Junglas as an anti-narcotics knife makes sense. Marijuana as a narcotic does not make sense. So connecting marijuana with an anti-narcotics knife does not make sense.

Ahh I did misunderstand. And completely agree with you. :thumbup:

 

[Gunner01]

Both Ontario and Esee make fine knives. As many know, Esee used to be under Ontario under the RAT (Randall's Adventure and Training) brand. My understanding, what I read, is that RAT (headed by Jeff Randall) wanted to keep improving the quality of their products to include heat treating, handle fit... Etc. Ontario only wanted to go so far and The RAT makers split of and formed their own company, Esee.

Like I said, I like both companies and own several knives from both. However, if I was to pick one, it would be Esse without a doubt. Their customer service along with the many fine products they make is hard to beat. Plus, if you hold an Esse blade in one hand and an Ontario in the other you can feel the difference in quality. That goes for their fixed blades.

That being said, I carry a Ontario RAT 1 folder as my duty knife. It of course was made when they were together. Esee is yet to put out a folder, so I will continue to use it.

 

[puukkoman]

I've found little difference between the ESEE's and the similar OKC offerings, having handled both. They're equally strong, and nearly identical. Personally, I'd choose OKC if I had to pick, because of the company's long history of supplying blades to the armed forces. Well, and the prices are way better, too.

 

[G8R8U2]

Something is definitely up with Ontario, and whatever that is, it's happened relatively recently. When I bought my RD-9 quite awhile back, it was a quarter inch of 5160 steel hardened to a Rockwell rating of 57-58, like the one example says above... I also think JG might have chimed in on a thread concerning that and other topics related to his use of 5160, if I recall correctly.

Today, if you look at the 2012 Ontario catalog, it still says a quarter inch (or .26 actually) of 5160 steel, but only claims a Rockwell hardness rating of 53-55. I don't know if that's a misprint or if it's accurate, but that seems like a rather significant difference if it's not a typo or mistake.

RD 9 - Black Micarta
Description
Specifications
National Stock Number (NSN) -
Edge Type Plain
Lock Type Fixed
Deployment Mechanism -
Pocket Clip Configurations -
Hardness 53-55 HRC
Overall Length 14.5 in (37 cm)
Closed Length -
Weight 1 lb 3.2 oz (0.54 kg)
Blade Length 9.5 in (24 cm)
Blade Material 5160 Steel
Blade Grind Flat
Blade Angle
Blade Thickness 0.26 in (0.7 cm)
Blade Color Black
Blade Finish Powder Coat
Blade Stamp RD-9 / ONTARIO
Handle Color Black
Handle Material Micarta
Handle Thickness 0.83 in (2 cm)
Sheath Type MOLLE Compatible
Sheath Color Black
Sheath Material Nylon + Kydex
Packaging Type Plastic Bag
Packaged Dimensions 17.5 in x 3.5 in x 2 in (44 cm x 9 cm x 5 cm)
Shipping Weight
Release Date -
Country of Origin United States of America

http://www.ontarioknife.com/catalog/item/199

 

[dallastxco]

Could be a different drug I am thinking about. But I seen one episode where the natives spit in it during the process to make it a paste.

That would be coca also. Or perhaps "chicha", which is a fermented drink made from corn. It gives you a nasty diarrhea.