ESEE/ H1 Salt>>>

Jake Bauer said:
good to know. I'd love an Izula or a 3 or 4 in 440C
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I'd like a slimmer blade (slim like the mil3)a little more narrow and 4" long, with handle color options, yellow, orange, green, blue etc all in bright 'safety neon' colors.. of course regular colors as well.

If indeed 440c is better the Aus8 then its decent, from what I gather Aus8 holds up well. As far as rust though its nothing compared to H1..
 
gundude73 said:
no, not trying to be mean. if you want H1 you should buy a spydie, which i am gonna do when they come with screw together construction. ESEE also wont because it would create a lot of extra SKUs.
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I know you know, but most spydies won't ever give you any rust trouble if you just hose it out with fresh water like you would all your other gear that gets all wet and sandy.
 
i mainly want the screw construction so i can adjust the pivot, i know i couldnt rust it if i tried ;)
 
gundude73 said:
i mainly want the screw construction so i can adjust the pivot, i know i couldnt rust it if i tried ;)
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Don't Spydie make some H1 fixed blades? I would probably go that way if I needed a salt water knife. A quick google makes me think that the Spyderco Aqua Salt would be a knife I would like for that situation.

For fresh water or humid areas the ESEE stainless models would be worth looking into when (if) available.
 
I bet the Izula is there bread and butter. I would like to see one in SS. Everyone owns/like Izula because the price and small size for EDC. Then you are hooked and buy all the koolaid
 
TheLastDaze said:
If indeed 440c is better the Aus8 then its decent, from what I gather Aus8 holds up well. As far as rust though its nothing compared to H1..
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440C puts aus8 in the dirt. Quite honestly my BM Griptillian in 440C out performed my BM710 in 154CM. I love that stuff.
 
Gadgetaholic said:
Don't Spydie make some H1 fixed blades? I would probably go that way if I needed a salt water knife. A quick google makes me think that the Spyderco Aqua Salt would be a knife I would like for that situation.

For fresh water or humid areas the ESEE stainless models would be worth looking into when (if) available.
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Yep Spyderco makes 'em. But they get discontinued because somehow they just don't do as good on the market. Quite frankly it sucks.
And seeing how ESEE guys are one of the most active ones when it comes to outdoor activity it can be beneficial
 
Great minds think alike. I am working on a new Titanium Alloy version of the Fixed HEST for non ferrous applications like UXO, dive and non permissive entry environments.
 
RYP said:
Great minds think alike. I am working on a new Titanium Alloy version of the Fixed HEST for non ferrous applications like UXO, dive and non permissive entry environments.
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That is very exciting news! :thumbup::thumbup:
 
styx said:
Yep Spyderco makes 'em. But they get discontinued because somehow they just don't do as good on the market. Quite frankly it sucks.
And seeing how ESEE guys are one of the most active ones when it comes to outdoor activity it can be beneficial
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This is mainly my point, as of late the koolaid seems cleaner and more consumer friendly with ESEE knives. I'm slowly becoming a faithful convert as they're more my lifestyle..

RYP said:
Great minds think alike. I am working on a new Titanium Alloy version of the Fixed HEST for non ferrous applications like UXO, dive and non permissive entry environments.
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I'm flattered to say the least:p I'm stoked to hear that other steels are in the mix, and absolutely love the hest.. I think ESEE is gaining momentum and what they stand for and behind should help lead them into the mainstream, and still be affordable as little to no need for advertising as their products tend to sell themselves..

Keep up the good work!!
 
RYP said:
Great minds think alike. I am working on a new Titanium Alloy version of the Fixed HEST for non ferrous applications like UXO, dive and non permissive entry environments.
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Now there's a phrase, non permissive entry points, NICE! That's great to hear about a titanium alloy HEST in the works, I can't wait!!!
 
440c is a very underrated steel due to chinese knock offs putting 440 or 440c on their knives IMO that are not heat treated and I dought they even know what 440c is. There was a large thread not long ago where custom makers said they love working with 440c because it is easy to grind, takes a wicked polish and properly heat treated can give you great edge retention. My handmade knife with 440c holds a edge equivalent to VG10 or 154CM in EDC. I have taken swims in the ocean with it, pool, for a few hours, just rinse and no issues. Its not a 'modern' steel, neither is 1095, they are proven steels throughout the years that just work great IMO.
 
For fairly small knives (not big choppers), I LOVE 440C. I've never had any BAD 440C. I can't vouch for 440A or 440B, never had it. I could theorize that some of the bad rap on 440C is actually people thinking that their knives are 440C when in fact 440B or even 440A. Or for that matter, CPM-440 (which I loathe).

I've stated it before, and I think even in this forum: I'll take 440C over 154CM, S30V, D2, AUS-6, ATS-34, ATS-55, GIN-1, SANDVIK 12C27, and 420HC (just for completeness), all being stainless steels I've personally tried, along with a few others, in production steels as well as most in custom knives, too. I'll even take it over Talonite. The only stainless steels I'd buy over 440C, or not place 440C in favor of, are AUS-8 and VG-10.

VG-10 is my favorite steel, bar none (carbon or stainless). Jury is still out on what my favorite carbon steel is, but I lean toward L-6, with O1 and 1095 being essentially tied for second place right now. 440C is a close second to VG-10, but relegated to strictly the stainless category.

I get sick of people putting down 440C.
 
shotgunner11 said:
I could be wrong, most likely am, but I do believe that H1 and whatever Benchmade calls it (it's the same steel) is proprietary now to Spyderco.

I had a knife made of H1, it was a good steel but I've been in and around saltwater all my life and with even minimal care (rinsing the knife with freshwater when possible) I've had very little issue with even the cheapest of stainless steels rusting on me.
But yea, 1095 is not a good choice for saltwater applications.
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same here. i have a small gerber that i have been using for YEARS in the salt. just rinse it off good and its good to go. it cost me approx $20.00. i dont like gerber knives that much either ;)
 
I HATE stainless steel knives. I love the Spyderco Pacific and Aqua Salt series knives.

A contradiction? Nah. I just don't think of H1 as regular stainless steel, which can still easily spot and rust, especially along the edge. It is a different category of steel entirely in my estimation. There is something so totally cool about having a knife one can treat as totally normal in a maritime environment. Just touch it up from time to time and forget about it otherwise.

Its main drawbacks are threefold. One, it is expensive. Two, it is not the most flexible steel out there and so the blades run on the smaller side. Three, Spyderco already buys up nearly all of the production of the stuff from the mill in Japan.

I happen to think all of the smaller blades in the ESEE/RYP collaborations are candidates for a stainless or "rust proof" variant in steels like N680 from Bohler-Uddeholm.

The next knives on my list are the Benchmade 110H2O fixed blade and folding blade knife series to compare them performance wise against the Spyderco offerings.
 
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