Esee junglas or something better?

I do not do the chopping many of these guy's do, but when I've gone out just to do some chopping I have used my Browning Crowell/Barker Competition cutter with good results. It has a flat ground, 1/4" thick, carbon steel, a convex edge, and an acceptable, if not very nice, leather sheath.

But the problem is that I have nothing to compare the Browning too, so my good results may not be someone else's results.

Good luck with whatever you choose though!
 
If you like the Imacasa/Condor blades but was a better handles, Fiddleback puts custom quality grips on imicasa blades and they are in stock now for $100, and I think he might still be doing the buy 3 get one free which would get you 4 of them for $310. I really like the Busse Basic 11 or B10 also, and hopefully the B8 will be out soon
 
Darkaether, why do talk about the B8 coming out? Is there some word from the Busse people that that will be offered at some point in the near future?

Also, do you machete advocates use your machetes on tough hardwood tasks, such as processing firewood at camp? I wonder whether a thicker blade like a junglas or say a battle rat would be better for splitting hard wood than a machete ... I have never really thought about using my machete for that sort of task.
 
Darkaether, why do talk about the B8 coming out? Is there some word from the Busse people that that will be offered at some point in the near future?

Also, do you machete advocates use your machetes on tough hardwood tasks, such as processing firewood at camp? I wonder whether a thicker blade like a junglas or say a battle rat would be better for splitting hard wood than a machete ... I have never really thought about using my machete for that sort of task.

Great time to ask. I just went out camping, and used my Junglas to take down about a 5-6" hardwood and process it. When I got to the last quarter I batoned it into quarter cuts, then halved some of the logs, and my blade was literally as sharp as when I started. It stayed that way the whole time. It's great for the size it is. And that's really the issue. If you want lighter weight, you bring a chopper, because it will do large tasks pretty well, and still be able to handle some smaller stuff. However, no one is going to tell you to pick a chopper over an axe if weight isn't an issue, because an axe is specialized when it comes to hardwood, just as a machete is specialized for, well, everything but hardwood lol. A machete is lighter and more adaptable. A chopper is a little stronger than a machete so it could handle harder wood better, and also deal with smaller stuff. An axe will save you a lot of calories and frustration if you know you're going to be dealing with a lot of hard wood. I personally like my Junglas or a short thin machete because I don't even know they're there but they can kill some firewood(at the expense of a little more work on your part. but that's why I also bring a folding saw:p).
 
How about the Esse Machete does anyone have any experience with it or is it to long? I'm also thinking about getting a machete myself.
Also whats the best length machete for ease of carry and overall chopping ability.
Well i'm off to work and will check in tonight. Thanks,
 
I love my ESEE Lite Machete! The handle is large, if you have smaller hands, you may want to get the Imacasa/Condor version. I had to chop some seasoned hardwoods, Black Locust I'm told, limbs had fallen from strong winds. So, I set out with the ESEE Lite Machete, a 12" Ontario, the Ka-Bar Cutlass and a Bruce Culberson Bolok.
Each one held their own, if I had been camping, I could have managed with any one of them. It's not too long, as a machete is almost perfect. It's just that for chopping, you have to hit the sweet spot, or you're wasting your energy. That's true for any chopper I suppose. But, with such a long thin blade, you can damage it when chopping very hard wood.

Lite Machete, bites deep, you have to chop at the correct angle. At 90 degrees, it will just bounce off, the shock vibration will travel up into the handle. I did some slight damage to the edge hitting this wood, a few bad swings. The length gives it great tip speed, and it's thin so it bites deep. IMO, this machete can do that work, but it's not the best at it. If you take it to the jungle, it can clear trails all day, then process some fire wood, build shelters, etc.. It's just no my choice for Kentucky camping.

The Ontario 12" Cutlass machete, and even my 18" heavy duty, both 1/8" thick, are great choppers, if.. You have to reprofile the edges, I convexed both of mine. The riveted handles just suck, I replaced those with hickory scales, now it's a useable tool. The 18" chops very well, yet it's heavy. At that thickness and length, you wrists will feel the burn. Neither of these machetes hold their edges all day, chopping wood. They are made to be used hard, I've used my 18" as a sword, a swinging fence post hangs in a shed. I have beat the snot out of this machete, no damage, no chips on the edge, no rolling. I've made the edge fairly thin, and the only damage it's ever got is from rocks in the ground or metal fences(accidental hits). For the money, both are great, but need work out of the box.

The Ka-Bar cutlass is also a great value, but the handle is also on the large side. If you use it hard for hours, it can become an issue. I'm trying too hard to hold on, I get sloppy with too large a handle. The edge can very sharp out of the box, yet these are a softer HT. You can abuse these, but don't expect them to hold an edge all day long, easy to sharpen though.

The Culberson Bolok is my favorite chopper. It's forged 5160, and the edge is perfect for chopping. I've used it on more occasions than all my others, and I've only had to strop it! It's a 12.5" long blade, that is 13/64" thick(that's a fat 3/16"). For me, it's as heavy as I would want. If I allow it's weight to do the work, it takes less effort on my part. I have used it hard, and sweat quite a bit trying to get enough dry wood, my last backpacking trip. A saw would have really helped to save my energy, but it was also fun. I like it because it was made to chop, it can take the impacts, keeps it edge, and I don't have to worry about sharpening in the field. All my other machetes and choppers would not last on a multi-day trip. I can sharpen in the field, but that's just more gear I have to take.
 
I love my ESEE Lite Machete! The handle is large, if you have smaller hands, you may want to get the Imacasa/Condor version. I had to chop some seasoned hardwoods, Black Locust I'm told, limbs had fallen from strong winds. So, I set out with the ESEE Lite Machete, a 12" Ontario, the Ka-Bar Cutlass and a Bruce Culberson Bolok.
Each one held their own, if I had been camping, I could have managed with any one of them. It's not too long, as a machete is almost perfect. It's just that for chopping, you have to hit the sweet spot, or you're wasting your energy. That's true for any chopper I suppose. But, with such a long thin blade, you can damage it when chopping very hard wood.

Lite Machete, bites deep, you have to chop at the correct angle. At 90 degrees, it will just bounce off, the shock vibration will travel up into the handle. I did some slight damage to the edge hitting this wood, a few bad swings. The length gives it great tip speed, and it's thin so it bites deep. IMO, this machete can do that work, but it's not the best at it. If you take it to the jungle, it can clear trails all day, then process some fire wood, build shelters, etc.. It's just no my choice for Kentucky camping.

The Ontario 12" Cutlass machete, and even my 18" heavy duty, both 1/8" thick, are great choppers, if.. You have to reprofile the edges, I convexed both of mine. The riveted handles just suck, I replaced those with hickory scales, now it's a useable tool. The 18" chops very well, yet it's heavy. At that thickness and length, you wrists will feel the burn. Neither of these machetes hold their edges all day, chopping wood. They are made to be used hard, I've used my 18" as a sword, a swinging fence post hangs in a shed. I have beat the snot out of this machete, no damage, no chips on the edge, no rolling. I've made the edge fairly thin, and the only damage it's ever got is from rocks in the ground or metal fences(accidental hits). For the money, both are great, but need work out of the box.

The Ka-Bar cutlass is also a great value, but the handle is also on the large side. If you use it hard for hours, it can become an issue. I'm trying too hard to hold on, I get sloppy with too large a handle. The edge can very sharp out of the box, yet these are a softer HT. You can abuse these, but don't expect them to hold an edge all day long, easy to sharpen though.

The Culberson Bolok is my favorite chopper. It's forged 5160, and the edge is perfect for chopping. I've used it on more occasions than all my others, and I've only had to strop it! It's a 12.5" long blade, that is 13/64" thick(that's a fat 3/16"). For me, it's as heavy as I would want. If I allow it's weight to do the work, it takes less effort on my part. I have used it hard, and sweat quite a bit trying to get enough dry wood, my last backpacking trip. A saw would have really helped to save my energy, but it was also fun. I like it because it was made to chop, it can take the impacts, keeps it edge, and I don't have to worry about sharpening in the field. All my other machetes and choppers would not last on a multi-day trip. I can sharpen in the field, but that's just more gear I have to take.

Great post and comparision, i seen guy on another forum around here talking about a 12" fiddelback machete saying how great of a job it did. That size sounds pretty handy in a machete. Thats probably the size of machete i'll go with. A forged 5160 one would be awesome i'd think.
 
I have a Fiddleback Forge 14", and I just love the handle! I want a 12", they are a bit thicker, and of course the same handle. I'd say get the 12", if you have the money, if not, another short thick machete like the Ontario 12" is a great tool, if you can improve the handle and edge. It would take me a long time to make a handle as good as Andy's, even if I had his tools, I'd need some practice time.

Hell yeah, a 5160 machete would be awesome. I know machete steel is thin, where my Bolok is thicker(not flexable). But, I do want a machete that holds a much better edge, as long as it doesn't chip too easy.
 
My machete is an esee lite machete. It is basically one of the cheaper machetes (trimontia? condor? I can't remember) with a nice micarta handle and a convex edge. My sense is that a handle will do a LOT of shock absorption compared to the typical sort of handle you get on a machete. And the convex edge is nice. Is it worth the extra money over just buying the trimontia/condor? I guess I can't say yet, as I haven't used it enough. If you are using it a lot, I would think you would be happy it has that good handle on it.

One thing that I will say is that it came to me pretty dull. I might have used it more if I didn't feel like it needed a good sharpening (which I haven't really had time to do).
 
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