Esse RAT6 vs. Becker BK2

I have had both for a few years. I added the Micarta on the BK2 and used it a few times. It still looks just about new. The ESEE6 has about a million miles on it.
They are both sweet blades but for me, the ESEE 6 works better as a cutting tool, holds a better edge and is a bit lighter.
 
the 16 is the BOMB for bushcrafters, love it

going to need a couple more trunks for my knives
 
Hi,

I'm new to the forum and I'm looking for a bit of advice before buying a knife for a BOB I am building. I don't plan on carrying a lot of gear but I want one 'tough' knife to take on bigger tasks and I'm currently stuck between the RAT6 and BK2. I've read great things about the Becker and it is nearly half the price of the RAT6 but I am a weary that it will be on the heavy side. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! :)


First off, welcome to Bladeforums.

I don't own a RAT6, but I have handled one. You're not going to go wrong with either the ESEE or the Becker, but I do think the knives have very different feels.
If you can manage to handle them before you buy, you'll know for sure. Different strokes for different folks, but buy with confidence either way.

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No, not on all of these knives just the BK's. On every BK 9, 7 or 2 that I have owned the screws have come loose in the frist 5 minutes of use. They are famous for it and anybody who has actually used one for actual work knows the screws do come loose and fast.

I really like the BK9 but it needs improved upon in the handel holding area. I wish they would go G10 and glue and pin those grips because what they are using does not allow the screws to streach proper and keep a load on the grips so they back off fast and often unless you do something about it. I have two knives with only 2 screws because the others got lost from backing off. I do not like a knife that you HAVE to carry a allen wrench with you at all times.

The BK 7 and 9 are a great knife but I will not let a new buyer be lied to. On the BK the grips do get loose fast and often, no body elses does so pleas ask Ka-Bar to fix the problem if you know anybody who works there.

Who are you to accuse me of lying? Do you not check or maintain your equipment? As to carrying an allen wrench at all times - that just isn't so. I checked and tightened (as needed) the screws on all my Beckers that have them and like most users have never had an issue with them over hundreds of hours of hard use.

As to pinning the handles - one of the popular features of Becker knives is the ease with which they can be modified. If someone wants micarta or wood slabs or whatever, he can twist out the screws and modify to his heart's content. Some folks hit the threads with a bit of LocTight (the blue, I believe) but I've never seen the need.

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Beckerhead #42
 
Just a quibble, but does the ESEE 6 even carry the RAT designation?

Still laughing over the comment that Beckers are "famous" for loose screws. :D
 
which handle feels better to you?
I prefer the ESEE 6 (formerly RC6, not RAT6 - different company, hence the name change) in hand to the BK2, despite my disdain for large choils.
The Ritter Perseverance Mk2 (unofficially AKA the BK12) is also really, really nice -- and in the same price range as the ESEE6, made in the same shop, with the same warranty -- but using Becker grivory. and the sheath is fine for a BOB, but if it's going to get a lot of carry time, look into Spec Ops or custom pants.
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Just a quibble, but does the ESEE 6 even carry the RAT designation?

I prefer the ESEE 6 (formerly RC6, not RAT6 - different company, hence the name change) in hand to the BK2, despite my disdain for large choils.

Ah, there's my answer. Yeah, I thought they'd dropped the RAT designation well before they got to production of the 6.
 
I like both ESEE and Becker knives--they're sort of cousins, in a weird way. Get the one you like best and you won't be sorry, but I say you really should consider... the BK-9! :thumbup::cool:

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Good luck, OP!

-Timber
 
I love my ESEE6 and I also have an ESEE4 and a BK9 & BK2 and had a BK7. I use the BK9 &ESEE6 all the time, the others not so much. The blade on the BK2 can be a bit thick for me and the edge on ESEE4 is a little too thick for me as well. The handles are a try them before you buy them thing, that is the best way to pick. As for loose handles the ESEE scales don't come loose and once they are tight the Becker handles have stayed tight for me for years without any help, after one day using my BK9 so much I wore off 80% of the coating.
 
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Ah, there's my answer. Yeah, I thought they'd dropped the RAT designation well before they got to production of the 6.

yup - Ontario makes RAT knives, Rat cutlery (now ESEE) made RC knives.
 
Also there never was a RAT 6. Ontario makes the RAT1 folder, RAT 3, 5, and 7. When Rowen started making Jeff knives is when the RC6 came about, and as mentioned Rat cutlery changed the name to ESEE. All this RAT talk is giving me a hankering for some sheep;):D
 
Esee has the lifetime warranty and its slightly thinner and longer than the bekker making it a better slicer and battoner than the BK2. Its worth the extra cost IMO
 
Esee has the lifetime warranty and its slightly thinner and longer than the bekker making it a better slicer and battoner than the BK2. Its worth the extra cost IMO

Becker has a lifetime no ifs-ands-or-buts arranty too. as long as you didn't abuse it.

as well, there's a ton of variety in the lineup. don't want thing? go phat. don't want phat? go thin. a lot of lengths and styles.

mess o knifes:

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a few more

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sometime this Spring i should update that. probably have 50% more


nice choices:

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those intermediate tweeners are NICE knives... i really dig the BK15 a lot, but the BK16 is probably imho THE KNIFE OF THE YEAR for bushcrafting :D
 
Asking for a knife for a BOB involves what else might be in it, and what the bags contents are expected to handle.

First things first - gathering water, purifying it, and holding it. Backup rations, too. First aid. When it works down the list of priorities to a knife, then a good 4" folder is first, and if wood craft is possible, a hatchet, if only because an axe is often bigger than the bag, and a bit obvious if the bag is carried into work. (Some do. )

I've had a Camp Tramp, still have a Campanion. The Tramp with a decent kydex sheath was a lot more useful than the Campanion, lighter, which meant I would carry it, and cut better. Thick stock is not always an advantage, any more than a larger caliber is always better.

It also goes to why I sold the Randall #14. Too big and unwieldy. If you need to chop and dismember wood, an inexpensive Fiskars axe will do a better job than a $150 knife, and do it without dulling the knife you might prefer to prepare food with.

If the purpose of the BOB is be as compact and simple as possible, then a lot of knives in the 4" range would do. No BOB will ever be complete for any circumstance or handle every task. There is one kind of BOB that should be avoided, tho, and that is the perfect one with all the coolest gear. It doesn't exist, and those that seek it as a grail discover it consumes cubic dollars in an attempt to create it.

However, we don't mind buying up the discards. It keeps the sale forums going. :D
 
BK2 is way to heavy to carry around and the grips come lose as soon as you use it.

Righty tighty left loosey. Its not that hard to turn a screw.
I don't own a bk2 or esse 6 but I do own and use a bk10 and I think that would be perfect for a bob. It's a little bit longer and little bit thinner so its a bit more slicey then the 2.

But as the others have said esse and becker have a great relationship and you can't go wrong with either company. :thumbup:
 
I have the 6 and 2 also. As everyone has said, you can't go wrong with either - they just have a different feel from each other. As for the Becker knives having screws come loose, ??????? I have carried a BK2 into the field both personally and as a member of SAR for years and have never had a problem with that...ever. I will tell you that the sheath for the BK2 does, in fact, dull the blade and needs to be replaced immediately upon receipt of the knife (although a previous post does state they have corrected the problem). Good luck in your search.
 
its slightly thinner and longer than the bekker making it a better slicer and battoner

I don't know why people continue to say this. I have tested this out on every fixed blade I own, in every instance regardless of blade shape, the thicker one has always been the better battoner.
 
and for a bob? i'd be looking at Becker TacTool.

it can baton all day long. pry, dig, and do a variety of nifty things. open doors. break glass. get you OUT.

after that? have a couple different small to medium knives, vise grips, some EMT shears, razor blades, and other stuff like that. far more practical as knives and stuff.

most likely, you'd want to buy sturdy, but "cheap" stuff. you may never use it, and you might have to even ditch it. depends on what your bob is for.
 
No, not on all of these knives just the BK's. On every BK 9, 7 or 2 that I have owned the screws have come loose in the frist 5 minutes of use. They are famous for it and anybody who has actually used one for actual work knows the screws do come loose and fast.

It strikes me as odd that in the years I've been posting here and the countless times I've seen people recommend or give glowing reviews about Becker knives that your post is the absolute first time someone has mentioned their grips coming loose. "Being famous for it" means something has to happen regularly to a large number of folks...
 
No, not on all of these knives just the BK's. On every BK 9, 7 or 2 that I have owned the screws have come loose in the frist 5 minutes of use. They are famous for it and anybody who has actually used one for actual work knows the screws do come loose and fast.

I really like the BK9 but it needs improved upon in the handel holding area. I wish they would go G10 and glue and pin those grips because what they are using does not allow the screws to streach proper and keep a load on the grips so they back off fast and often unless you do something about it. I have two knives with only 2 screws because the others got lost from backing off. I do not like a knife that you HAVE to carry a allen wrench with you at all times.

The BK 7 and 9 are a great knife but I will not let a new buyer be lied to. On the BK the grips do get loose fast and often, no body elses does so pleas ask Ka-Bar to fix the problem if you know anybody who works there.


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