Ethan's June Challenge, Urban Survival

[Jonny1280]

Hunker Down Scenario

In my Hunker Down scenario I will be assuming a complete and total economic collapse has taken place.
The country is in ruin, society has collapsed and I have only what is in my home.
My two cars, truck, boat, lawnmower, and the fuel that is in the tanks. Those won't last long.
I have tools, knives, and guns. Enough ammo to hunt for years and enough to keep my family protected.
I’m picturing a pioneer society where bartering has become the norm and cash is worthless.
Precious metals and jewels are the only real source of a monetary system.
This will be a difficult scenario for me and my family. Good thing I have my handy BK-11 to help out.

Short term survival

I’ve looked in our fridge, freezer, and cupboards.
We’re not looking too good on the food storage front.
We have very little stored water. Very little frozen meat and very little fresh fruit and vegetables.
I figure we could survive off of what we’ve got for about a month.
There’s some work to do to have a sustainable food source. I’ll try to detail as best I can in my Long Term Scenario.


Long term survival

My group will include my Wife, child, and in-laws.
In a true survival situation I would need to procure animals that can give sustainable food.
We'll have to trade jewelry for farm animals. Chickens and cows will be in high demand and may not be available.
I’ll need to transport water from the river which is about three blocks away.
With the river so close, this will be our major source of water and a minor food source.
I’m set up pretty good on fishing gear so I should be able to help feed our group.
I could also find a shallow area of the river, dam it with large rocks, and make a narrow passage way for easier harvesting of the salmon and steelhead.

Here's a map showing the distance between both residences and the close proximity of the river:

My back yard will need to be transformed into a garden.
There are plenty of stored packs of seeds at my secondary residence to get it started.
Here's the garden at my secondary residence:

Our Secondary Residence will be 7 blocks away at my in-laws. Their home is directly on the river.
They have a garden, tools and many guns.
They also have a fireplace which will be essential in the winter months.
My Primary Residence has a gas heater, so that’s no good.

One thing I would try to do is make a large network of friends.
People I could trade with and trust.
I'm sure there will be plenty of shadey people running around.
I think a large friend network would be advantagious in helping the group stay safe.

If wild game becomes hard to come by in the direct area, there is a pretty same bet on some Elk.
There is a large herd of Elk (100’s) about 8.5 miles away.
Having a horse or two would be nice, but if not we’ll have to ride bicycles as our primary mode of transport. No gasoline.
If I shot an Elk it would probably take a couple of us a few trips to get it all home regardless of our transportation.
It would be a long travel with a loaded down horse or bicycle, but that would be enough meat to last for quite a while.

Water purification: Water from the river can be purified with sand from the river and blackened coal from fire and filtered through a sock or a pair of my Wife’s panty hose. The water can then be boiled.

Food source:Chickens and cows (if available) can provide meat,eggs, cheese and milk.
Fish from the river. Fruit, vegetables, and grain from the garden.
Deer and Elk can be found in a 10 mile radius.

Water source: River four blocks away from Primary Residence and in the back yard of Secondary Residence.

Group Skills: Hunting, gathering, gardening, fishing & sewing.
Sewing is probably an overlooked skill. Granted we all have plenty of clothes, but as they wear out they will need to be repaired and new clothes can be patched together from old pieces.

Every day material Skills: With the BK-11 as my only knife, it will be used for everything. Small wood working tasks as well as skinning and processing wild game, fish, chopping vegetables, etc. Not to mention I'm sure it will see plenty of action as a can opener. It'll be...

Secondary residence: 7 blocks away. Will turn to Primary Residence in the winter.

Mode of transportation: Bicycles. Horses (if available). Walking most of all.

This challenge has really made me understand how unprepared I am for an urban survival situation.:thumbdn:
However, it has got me thinking about a lot of things that I've never given much thought.:thumbup:

 

[DerekH]

I accept Ethan's Challenge.

First off, my plan is twofold; first order of business is to collect supplies to make long-term survival more tenable, and second is to get someplace more conducive to long-term survival. To do this, my first destination is a location in the middle of town, a lower class department store in one of our shopping centers.

Below is the route necessary to make it from my house (blurred out cause I don't want you hooligans showing up uninvited) to the first destination. Total distance is 5.9 miles, something easily covered in my Jeep or on bike if need be. The areas in red are where population is heavy and would provide possible areas of difficulty depending on whether or not those people had cleared out when it came time to make this trip. Traveling at night should help alleviate this, and this route was chosen because it has the least amount of populated areas. The areas in blue are water sources, one of which being directly behind my initial destination.

Through all this heavy growth is the small creek running behind my destination. It is pretty hard to get to, so all you get is a picture of the overgrowth.

And if you turn directly around, you will see the back of my destination. The two doors on the left (and the loading bay door next to them but out of sight) is the only rear access to the location. There is another door on the far right (just out of the frame) but it is bolted shut and inaccessible.

Inside you can see some of the things that this place sells, mainly clothing and beddding supplies; rugs, pillows, blankets, etc...

Now, during some interesting situations I have learned that in the back area of the store is a pretty awkwardly placed stairwell that leads to an unused attic area. Very few people know about it (or at least think about it) because it is not used for anything, and has some interesting features. First off, it has only one real entrance from inside which would be easy enough to booby trap or block off, or even fill with the discarded light bulbs that are in the back as a means of notification should someone try to head that direction. Second, it has a few side rooms built into the attic (not pictured because there was no lighting) which have a couple of windows out into the main area of the store and are covered with two way mirrors. There is also a means of rooftop access, so one route in, two routes out.

The exit sign shown in the third picture is to another stairwell that leads down to the ground floor, but it has long since been bolted shut.

My thinking is that since this place stocks nothing really essential in a post-apocalyptic type of setting, it would probably see minimal looting and would escape a lot of the initial panic from such an event. This would serve as my base for the next part of the plan, which is gathering supplies.

Connected to the store (and easily accessible through a locked door in the store itself) is an auto garage maintained by the company I work for. I just so happen to have a key. This door, shown below, would grant me access to a location filled with some very useful supplies, such as tools, a couple of snack machines, and even some more advanced items, such as alternators for power and water pumps to simplify water gathering.

Those items acquired, there are other locations in this shopping area that would provide a great deal of useful materials. First off being the construction sites of a couple of restaurants. Cinder blocks, 2x4's, and all manner of other raw materials are here for the taking should they be needed. (This will come into play later when I make my useful item out of basic materials.)

Next is a Dunham's Sports store, which, while I imagine it would be hit pretty hard, would probably still contain several useful items, such as fishing and boating gear (very useful at my final destination), and hopefully there would still be some firearms and ammunition left after the looting. If not I do have my pistol and a good number of rounds for it, although I would feel much better with a rifle and ammo for it. A bow and several arrows would also be pretty nice.

Even better though is the Tractor Supply store at the end of the shopping area. Here, my goal would be to collect things not frequently thought of during an initial panic, such as animal feed, several types of which a man could survive off of, as well as seed (necessary for long-term survival), other useful tools, grain, filter material (activated charcoal) and several other useful supplies. Also, located next to it is a fenced off area, filled with work trucks, one of which I would "liberate" to give me transportation to the next destination, as well as a giant propane tank and a large diesel tank for fuel.

These things acquired, as well as any dry goods or canned foods from the Big Lots at the other end (no picture of it) I would then need to load up and head out to my next target, the place where I plan on setting up for the long haul.

Next shown is my route to the state park I plan on setting up for long-term survival. The route itself is fairly long compared to the first one, but is primarily through unpolulated highway, and again, traveling at night should help. If the first part of the plan takes several days, hopefully by this point travelers should have thinned out somewhat, and I would hopefully be able to make it unimpeded to my goal. While it does depend on luck, sometimes you have to make do with what you can. Again, red square is the populated area, and blue areas being water on the route should I need it.

The next four pictures are of the route to the state park where I will be headed. As you can see, there is little in the way of houses or anything so hopefully the road would be fairly deserted.

Now the reason I picked this state park for the long-term location is that it is fairly out of the way, and not really close to the main highways or streets through town, and is not surrounded by populated areas. Also, I know it fairly well, and know where most of the things I would need to survive are located. First is the lake, which is stocked with fish.

Next shown is the route to the top of the park, higher up the mountain.

This area has several fields, ideal for crops. The third field is bordered by several apple trees that attract a large deer population, as well as a small pond.

This structure is the newly completed bath house, which is very large, and would provide an excellent shelter during the initial setup of the location.

Not pictured is a fairly secluded area at the top. This area contains several unfinished camp sites, as well as a large amount of raw materials such as pvc, water piping, cinder blocks, and wood. There is also a decently sized utility shed that would be a perfect shelter, and it is fairly well hidden to the casual explorer. Unfortunately, I was unable to get back there to take pictures since it was blocked off and I didn't feel like getting kicked out for snooping in areas I shouldn't have been.

This right here is a water pump connected to their water supply, which I would attempt to fit up to my bike to provide a source of clean well water using the water pump I acquired at the auto garage earlier. It might take some work, but I am fairly confident I could make it happen.

So, all in all, that is the meat and potatoes of my plan should I need to head out in the worst kind of survival scenario. It isn't ideal, and a lot depends on luck, and I am sure there would be difficulties along the way, but I have thought it through as best I can, and feel confident that I would be able to make do should things go sideways on me.

Next up is my useful created item. Using my knife, my saw, a baton, some cordage, and a few 2x4's, my goal is to make a bed.

Here are the two long pieces, the two short cross pieces, and the four legs all cut down to size using the saw. (I could have done it all with a knife but nuts to that, it is crazy hot out and the goal is to work smarter, not harder.)

To make notches at the ends of the boards, as well as the legs of the bed, I sawed in cross-grain using the saw, then batoned out with the grain to make the cutouts in the 2x4's.

Here are two of the legs cutout and ready to go.

Here the frame is, setup and waiting to be lashed together.

The frame lashed together.

Now at this point I need to mention that my objective was to make a slat bed using the 2x4's, and was going to baton lengthwise several slats for my bed using my knife. I attempted this, and learned a very important fact: 2x4's baton all kinds of screwy and never go straight, so while I could have sawed out the slats, I felt that was away from my original goal, so I set out to improvise a different type of bed.

Using one of my tarps, I tried to duplicate a type of bed I had seen on a few different places that was based off a field expedient stretcher type of design. By folding a large sheet of cloth across two lengthwise poles, you can make a stretcher and the persons weight will hold the cloth in place, allowing for a stable platform. I cheated and tied the tarp off to the frame around the legs.

The top is two layers thick, with each end of the tarp folded over eachother, and those provide tension causing the bottom layer to pull taut. This stuff is really slick though (urethane coated nylon) and was pretty slippy. Something like canvas would have worked much better, but since I was improvising, this is what I got.

I then laid in the contraption very, very gently, and while it held my weight, I could feel it starting to slip loose, so I got out of it pretty quick. Again, a learning opportunity, so next time a different type of cloth or I would take the time to saw out the slats for the bed. I did however grab a pic of me standing on the lengthwise pieces right in the middle so as to show how strong the frame was.

Everything considered, I think this would be a viable plan for survival in the worst-case scenario. There are several areas of my plan that hinge on luck and timing, but I think they would work out decently well. Liberating a work truck for my uses requires some luck in that there would still be some, but if that failed there is a trucking yard back behind the location that has several work trucks as well as an additional fuel tank.

The bed, while successful, would definitely need refined to be sturdier (specifically the cloth or slats), but would work very nicely after finished. Being off the ground is a definite benefit, as well as allowing space to slide heated rocks under to help keep someone warm in the cold or for more insulation.

Now, my entry complete, I feel it necessary to contrast this with my recent experiences. Last Friday, at approximately 8:00 PM Eastern, I lost power at my house. A huge storm tore through my area and took out power for over 300,000 people in WV. This storm caused a lot of difficulty, especially with the super high temperatures we have been experiencing. While it wasn't the "end of world" type of scenario my plan was for, I think my plan would have worked out pretty decently. I did also learn that there are several things that are definitely going to be highly sought after, the first of which being clean water. The loss of power took most of the pumping stations offline for our area, so water was out for tons of people. I made it through, and had power back after almost exactly 48 hours, but there are places less than a block away that are still without power, and as a result still without water.

The experience has shown me a lot about what I would need to do to survive in a terrible situation, and it was interesting to note that a lot of my plan would have worked out in the long run. The plan I posted above, while I feel it would work, is not the plan I currently have should things go sideways in the worst possible way. This is merely a plan for this contest.

Anyways, this is my entry. Hope it provides some thinking material for people, and can help someone learn some ways to keep themselves alive if things go terrible.

 

[kyturkey]

I'll jump in if I may. I've thought about situations like this before, but not nearly to this extent. My situation is a little different than what some would consider urban I'm sure. I live and work in a town of 60,000, but is a regional hub so during the work day it's upward to around 90,000. I live on one side of town and work on the opposite side of town on the busiest road we have. An interstate and a railroad come thru town so there is a lot of industry, and a college here in town.

I've thought about what would I do if some kind of disaster were to happen and I was at work and needed to get home to the family. I'd have to travel about 10.5 miles and cross a river to get home. There are six bridges that you can drive across, one walking bridge and one rail road bridge. Depending on what has happened would determine my route. My work is almost right beside the interstate, which has two of those bridges (one is opposing traffic). That route would be the quickest way for me to get across the river. In the past we've had some bad flooding, but not this year, we are so dry.

If I was stuck going thru town, not sure how long that would take especially if I had to travel on foot, there are opportunities to find water and shelter along the way.

Shelter:
Could shelter behind a dumpster, and if you could find some cardboard or plastic it would improve the shelter.

Can find shelter on porches and such. Here's a covered area in the corner of a shopping center.

Possibly shelter under a truck trailer with added material to cover on the sides. That pine could be used in making pine needle tea.

Water/Food
We did have a storm go thru yesterday afternoon, knocked down power lines, caused some flash flooding, lightning striked a couple buildings. Water from the aforementioned river. Also found this dount box holding water in a yard.

Behind that shopping center, there is a water retention basin. Not sure about drinking water from it due to vehicle fluid runoff from the nearby parking lot, but I've heard frogs croaking back there of an evening. Could find other wild edibles around, like dandelion greens, clover, etc.

And this morning when I went by to get these photos there were two rabbits running around. Hope you can see them. After seeing the rabbits I decided a slingshot would be a good idea to keep in a kit. There is a park in town with lots of geese and ducks that are used to being feed, but it's a little out of the way from my route.

Another source of water is from water heaters, this one is from work. Can you find the bk11

Can find useable containers for cooking or gathering edibles in recycling containers.

Might make a few things to help gather food, this could be the same as in a wilderness situation. Gig/spear (could double as protection), traps, slingshot.

Once I made it home, supplies there would last for a few weeks to a month, I'm guessing. Then it would be travel to the next county over to the farm. Depending on roads and fuel, which would determine the route or method of travel, would determine how hard or easy that would be. Seems I need to make a few more preparations. I'd also like to learn more about wild edibles, that would be easy calories per expended energy.

 

[Chameleonbear]

So, my first thought originally was to run. But after thinking about it, I don't know for real where I would run to. My parent's house is a good location, they have a back-up generator, they don't have however any necessary food stores at the house. My next thought was as I had talked about with my "brother" which was to go to HIS parent's house. They live in the middle of several large corn farms. Food would be plentiful (if you count corn), water is also accessible since they have a small lake on their property. However they don't have a genny. The more I thought about it, the more sense it made to stay in my loft. I live in a secure building, on the 4th floor of an all brick building. the building is around the corner from a power substation. Which means if the power goes out it will be probably right back on pretty quickly. I have food stores for several weeks, including non-perishable canned foods, I also have water, both running and bottled. I also have about a weeks worth of MREs in my closet. For home defense I have a pistol that I have trained with. I have practiced in both sterile and real world situations.

So for me my best bet is actually to stay where I am. I have the resources that if my family were to come to stay with me I could care for them for at least a week as well.

 

[emperorvince]

First a little about my area. I live in upper Manhattan, aka Harlem right on the main strip of 125th street. I am located in between several projects (buildings number 6 to 12 and are various floors/heights) and "hot spots" (areas controlled by mobile police units/gangs). After 911 my friends and I learned a lot of lessons and decided to put our various talents together and prepare for what we call the OS (oh shit) scenario. I am basing my urban survival plan/movements on my experience in my environment (foreign/domestic) and my knowledge of the natives and familiarity with NYPD, local gangs and, unfortunately drug addicts...as all of these people/groups do come into play in the act of an "event". Your experience may vary

My scenario : Wife, kids and dog are away at mother in laws in PA..of course I didnt go..I dont like her and she doesnt like me..oh well. At 2am a message comes across the tv stating that there is an emergency in effect..it is real, not a test as usual. Being that Manhattan is an island..I feel it shake and move. I look out of my brownstone window and see smoke and various explosions in unison. I know what this is... I learn that the explosions cause the lower part of Manhattan to begin sinking. Everyone will try to get "uptown" as we call it. No time to think, time to act. I grab my light dpm camo jacket out of the closet because I keep my BK11 OS kit, a flashlight, gloves and an old motorola talkabout radio in the pockets. It's also water resistant and can be used to sleep on as well as a cover and hiding in a park. My wife has the other talkabout and she knows to cut it on every 2 hours for 5 minutes on the two alternating channels that we established. I dial my wifes phone from my cell on the way out, but no dial tone..I expected that. We planned for this though so Im not worried (thats a lie..I am worried but I cant dwell on it..time to focus). The wife and kids are counting on me. Besides that, who's gonna walk my dog?

My Basic Rules :

1- My OS truck is no good right now as the streets will be blocked by vehicles, you will also be at risk for being jacked by gangs, nypd, or others.
2- Evasion. Small groups. Any groups of more than 5 may be accosted by gangs or nypd, weapons will be confiscated, you may be detained or worse.
3- Do not trust/rely on the police. My wife is an officer and she and I witnessed some very unlawful behaviour during 911. They will also try to leave...
4- Be aware of stragglers, unknowns and stay away from the project buildings. They are very territorial and the nypd only go in..when in numbers.
5- Stay focused on your goal at hand. Mine is to somehow get into the next borough, the Bronx and somehow get out of NY altogether.

My Travel Route :

Stay on the side streets and the inner blocks. Its much safer and less prone to major activity. I could have stayed in the house but chose not to due to it being easier to move at night. I also know that scavengers may go to the nicer blocks/areas looking for supplies etc. I prefer not to defend a home that I plan on leaving anyway. I lock up real tight..and leave. I have to get as close to the Bronx as I can before daylight. Its only about 15 blocks away but..the streets are alive with lions, tigers and bears. If I need to hide, an abandoned building or a park may be the best bet to lay low, I have to choose wisely.

My BK11 Kit :

Contains my first Becker..the bk11 attached to an Eagle Industries frag grenade pouch..as well as the things that I will need to defend myself if needed. My main priority right now is evasion and safety. Some items are medical (2 badages, 1 suture kit, 2 pain killers, 2 antibiotics, 1 800mg ibuprofen, 2 alcohol wipes), some are for traps (12g shotgun shell, nail, butcher string, fishing hook, fishing line), and some are for extended protection/tool use (victorinox tool/knife). I can use some found cans and use the bk11 to bouge some holes into both side then run the butchers string thru the cans and make a crude trip/alarm wire, if I am forced to stay in an abandoned building or on the rock face area of our local park.

My Escape fm NY :

The only way to get into the Bronx is by passing over one of about 5 bridges. Easier said than done during an evacuation... Being that I already planned my escape, I realized that of course all bridges would be blocked by cars and/or people trying to prosper. Unforunately thats bound to happen. During 911 the local stores were selling bottles of water for $5....they were promptly raided by roving groups and the owners/workers were beaten etc. My plan is to travel across the Metro North train line tracks..as they go directly into the Bronx and I am also able to cross onto other freight rail lines. Once in the Bronx, I will be near our storage facility where I can access a small outdoor room that I keep a bike in, as well as a 5 gallon gas container in North Face Exocet knapsack. I should be able to travel fast thru any traffic or obstacles withe this bike and get as close as I can with the amount of gas that I have.

This is just a quick thought up scenario and plan..and I apologize if it was a little long winded lol. Some pics are included for reference..& dont laugh at my ugly OS (oh shit) truck..she runs just fine ! I would have added a pic or two of me hiding in the park in my camo but if seen by nypd, I would have ended up in Bellevue (our local mental hospital). Thanks for the chance !

 

[Mistwalker]

I didn't really have the opportunity to get as involved with this as I would have liked, but hey I was told from the beginning I wouldn't win


I have lived near a fairly large city for quite some time. A city that is powered partly by nuclear power plants with, from the stories I've read recently, some issues of their own. So I have more of a list of options in reacting to whatever stimulus comes along rather than one or two carved in stone bug out plans. As the old saying goes...no battle plan survives first contact. I try to stay flexible and keep my options open. This mainly just goes into some of my line of thinking on the subject.


I live just west of the city with two of the nuclear plants being to the north east and one to the south east. So for the most part my plans do not include either north, east, or south as an evac rout.

To travel any distance east or south means I have to cross a large river. Lots of potential for problems there. With five vehicle bridges and one walking bridge my best option for crossing (if I need to head south) will be here in the city. It's several miles to the west to the next couple of bridges, but that rout is mapped out also.

I have some ideas on this. My family owns a few boats...apparently my brother collects them as a hobby... plus there are lots of boats docked here in various locations whose owners don't even live here of may not be able to make it to them so requisitioning an abandoned boat could be an option under the right circumstances. Plus lately I have been made aware of alternate means of water-borne travel that could possibly be improvised using various buoyant materials.

Even if I manage getting across the bridges in vehicles, there will definitely be risks of bottle necks and stoppages.

So...I keep alternate forms of land travel and stoppage removal in mind...things that may be available to...borrow temporarily...

The way people drive here on a normal day...I'm thinking the roads are going to suck pretty bad in any sort of real event and emergency crews are going to be working over time.

So, my plan is to make my west over the Cumberland plateau through old logging roads and dirt roads to get the heck out of this area. As for food, yes I do have some travel-able foods for just such a case, but depending on the time of year supplementing that food will be easy to do.

Shelter can vary depending on rout.

Generally speaking there is lots of water around here except during our week long drought periods.

as for making things from common items, in a serious event there will be damned few people I trust so one thing I can see myself cobbling together will be early warning devices rigged up to trip wires. I can do this with lights and the horn of my vehicle.

As for tools, among other things, I'll be carrying a couple of BK-11s

Sorry it wasn't better, I had several other plans for this but life isn't cooperating at the moment. Hopefully next time I'll have more time...

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[ocnLogan]

"I accept Ethan's Challenge"

Ok, I should have put more time into this, but I didn't. Family came into town on short notice to visit, we took a short trip and after nailing a 4x4x12 piece of angle iron on the freeway are in need of a new set of tires . On the upside, I can replace the KM2's with Duratracs which better suits my more recent driving conditions and style. Plus it will give me a full size spare which will also help me be a bit more prepared.

I would be deciding to hunker down in the short term. I would be hunkering down in the city of Mountain View, CA where I am interning for the summer. Because of this, I do not know the area as well as many people here know their home towns. Because of this, I found something that I see every day as I bike my way to work that was relatively close to where I am here. The site that I chose is off of a bike trail, located next to a canal and is in a much less frequently traveled portion of town.

Here is a screenshot of google maps of the location that I am thinking about. You can see the creek in the foreground (frequented by birds, ducks and other fowl), as well as the fairly heavily forested cover on the other side of the creek. It is somewhere in this area that I would choose to build a small lean to shelter (facing south, there are nightly coastal winds here that reach 15-25mph). To help me with this shelter, I would bring along my BK11 (one of only three blades I brought with me on my internship). I know that it won't be easy to make with just a bk11, but I know from some other contests around here that I could do it if I needed to.

As you can see, this creek should help me with my fresh water.

What I chose to make was some improvised cordage to help with shelter building, and trap making. Around here, you can always find a plastic bag no matter where you are. I figured I should learn a useful way to use them.

Its not finished, but its perfect for a proof of concept. And its actually the first time I've really made any cordage, so I'd consider that a win. I would obviously make more than this, as well as larger strands than this, but plastic bags are plentiful and I didn't have much time to get this done (you can see my nieces hand in one of my cordage making photos as I did this right before the deadline. The best thing was that she got interested and actually helped me out with a few wrappings ).

Also, while not a perfect plan, there are tons of fowl in the area, and I would attempt to catch some for food using some of the traps that I've been working on and this here cordage .

Thanks for the chance .

EDIT: What I forgot to mention, was that this trail is a mere few miles from the San Fransisco Bay and its marshes. I would use trapping and fishing for food primarily. I'm not saying I would live the high life here, but I would get along until I could figure my way out of here. I have family about 200 miles south that I know would help me, so this would be my hunker down position until I could figure out what in the world was going on.

Once again, if this was where I lived at college for the last 5 years, I would have a much more detailed plan. Such is life though, you always have to make do with what you have .

 

[Moosez45]

Ok, I wanna say this for the record, I'm proud of ya'll.

Everyone of these are great entries.

Lets hope we never need to put them to practical application.

Moose

 

[Ethan Becker]

Hey Everybody......

A lot of interest and a whole bunch of good entries.....Really liked the fact that so many of you looked out of the "little box" we all tend live and think in......Great route planning.......Youguys who came up with alternates are to be commended.......Derek' s two stage approach was interesting.......

Vince is the only guy who entered that really lives in that great,snarling mass of crocs and vipers that I thought of as where this contest was MOST applicable but, Fal'ers situation and Jonny1280 emphasize that when you are seperated from the people you are responsible for by water especially LARGE water, ya gotta problem......

Another hard one for me to decide but, that IS a good thing.......

Numbero uno goes to Vince really enjoyed your thought processes.......And you are the one with the OH F@&k !!! Location....

Number two goes to Derek.....Alittle complex maybe but think of them as alts.....

Number three is (I am throwing darts here) ......Jonny1280

I repeat guys ......Really well done.....

Ethan


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