European EDC

We have laws similar to Belgium, but worse in some ways. Similar on the "everything a weapon" and virtually no carry without good reason.
That knife would probably have someone arrested. The Police would claim it was a straight razor or something equally foolish, but show-stopping.

Excellent design however; probably the nicest attempt I've seen at such a type of knife.
 
Jim malone said:
The fact that the possibility of getting caught is small doesn't change the fact that the laws was written in such a way that you are in a constant state of illegality
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I'm not sure I understand where this mentality is coming from.
By your own words you have now said that you intent to do harm on another person, and that you carry your knife as a weapon and not a tool. :(

Carrying the knife is in itself not illegal, I live in Europe/ Denmark, the leo's here , in my experience, is not out to get you. they are in fact mostly nice people who will help you if they can.

Yes they do have the power to take your knife from you if they wish, if they do, they will properly have a good reason for it. its all in the situation that you meet them.
Think a little about how, what why & when you carry and you will most likely not get into trouble.


Here in Denmark we have even stricter (EDC) knife laws then they do in England but common sense WILL get you a long way.
If you think I'm to trusting of the authorities, it's a trust that goes two ways, With in reason we are allowed to EDC a knife while we are flying, are you ? ;)
 
Maybe population in Belgium is denser, I don't know.
But I do know that when you carry a knife you WILL be suspicious.
You really have to convince the officer that it's a tool and why you really NEED to have it with you.
And it isn't easy to do so.

Think about small children who say why on every answer they get :)

In other words
The first thing they think is you have a weapon with you and you have the intention to use it against someone.
It's very sad, but that's reality in our country
 
excellent review and beautiful photos. thanks very much for sharing.

the knife looks really functional and i like that it is legal in most places :thumbup:
 
@Jim

Jim are you addressing me or Hawkings?
I know that carrying a knife is illegal unless you need it to do your job.
So a butcher or a cook may only have it at their working place, a licensed hunter while hunting in the woods during hunting season...
So far the strict (and only valuable) interpretation of the law.

In the real world the law enforcers can choose how to handle.
They can choose to believe you only have it as a tool with no ill contend, something they seldom do.
(they always have the law at their side because it IS illegal in a strikt sense)

I was addressing mr Hawkins who let it seem that the carrier has a wrong attitude, so the law enforcer handles the way he does.

I'm even not sure if a cop or security guard is allowed to carry a knife :D
 
I didn't check my thread for 2 days and I see a lot of comments. First thank you for your interest and your welcome.:)
In France the situation is a bit different. The law is hazy enough to allow the police officer to decide whether the knife is considered a tool or a weapon according to the circumstances and the person. To simplify, we assume, but nobody is really sure, that one can carry a pocket knife if it is not lockable or is not a fixed blade, is of reasonable size and hasn't got an automatic opening. But as we are a country with a lot of traditional knives, there is a tolerance and many people for instance have Opinels which are actually lockable and it is not an issue. I carry knives since more than 20 years and I've never been controled. I don't fear carrying a liner lock when in France but I am much more concerned when I travel accross Europe through countries with different laws.
To this respect I am grateful to Eric Parmentier (and also other makers that share the same concern) that he thought about the problem and came up with this design of a legal EDC knife that is secure, practical and pretty. As I am travelling quite often I need to know if I have anything illegal in my pocket to avoid unpleasant surprises.
Interestingly, I posted the same subject on the british forum BritishBlades about a month ago and I got an overwhelming amount of comments that showed there was really a great interest there for these kind of knives. In GB where the laws became very strict because of a current knife crime wave, knife lovers are very concerned by this legal aspect, much more than in France. Actually I personaly began more or less to care when I begun to know that was happening in England.
I must admit I posted this subject here out of curiosity to see how Americans would react to this kind of issue. It must feel strange to you as your legislation is much more lax on the matter ?
 
nice knife, thanks for those beautiful pictures :thumbup:
personally I like the plain version w/o scales for the simplicity looks
 
Good grief, Wonderlab, that law is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Anything is a weapon if the cop thinks it is?! OK, so a scarf is a garrote, a pencil is a dagger and a bottle of Coke is a sap? This just in -- Anything is a weapon if you swing it hard enough.

Here's what you do. Find some student, preferably a girl, who has the time to make a test case, and go gently smack a cop with a stuffed animal. I wanna read about the "Deadly assault by Teddy Bear" in Belgium today...
 
It is not that bad as in Belgium here in France. Many people carry knives and never have any problem and don't really give a shit because the chances to be controled are very slim if you are not acting or look suspicious.
But, for sure, I would not carry an expensive custom folder in GB for fear of having it confiscated.
Concerning the lack of precision of the law, I guess the state just wants to make sure that it can seize anything that can be used as a weapon in a given situation.
Some people do actually carry knives for wrong and bad reasons.
 
"Some people do actually carry knives for wrong and bad reasons."

Of course they do, and if some LEO wants to take issue with a dagger hidden in a boot or some mall ninja push dagger then I understand.

But common sense needs to come into play and a distinction made between "tool" and "weapon." I carry a skeletool. In the past three days, it has opened boxes, opened letters, fixed a toy, prepared a fire in a fireplace, fixed the screen over that fireplace, fixed a PC, and opened a zip-tie.

Any LEO who can't tell the difference between a hard-working multitool riding in a pair of overalls and mischief waiting to happen in some Chav's hands doesn't have the brains for the job.
 
thermocline said:
"Some people do actually carry knives for wrong and bad reasons."

Of course they do, and if some LEO wants to take issue with a dagger hidden in a boot or some mall ninja push dagger then I understand.

But common sense needs to come into play and a distinction made between "tool" and "weapon." I carry a skeletool. In the past three days, it has opened boxes, opened letters, fixed a toy, prepared a fire in a fireplace, fixed the screen over that fireplace, fixed a PC, and opened a zip-tie.

Any LEO who can't tell the difference between a hard-working multitool riding in a pair of overalls and mischief waiting to happen in some Chav's hands doesn't have the brains for the job.
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YES you made the point here, now go back to when I said leo's are mostly not out to get you, put the statements together. and you have a very good reason for a strict law. Mostly leo's can and will use common sense and "can tell the difference between a hard-working multitool riding in a pair of overalls and mischief waiting to happen in some Chav's hands" BUT when "mischief is waiting to happen in some Chav's hands" they do not have to stand around waiting for someone to get hurt before they act.

You can't even have a Vic classic on your key chain with out a specific reason for it in Belgian ?
 
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