Exchange issues? What is welching?

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The other night, In the exchange forum I stated I would purchase a zt 0350 but then after further looking at the pictures the thing was beat to hell. And I let the starter of the thread now that I changed my mind, I informed him or her in a nice way. But now he or she is really threatening me saying that he's going to report me for welching and that he is going to get me banned. I Even sent him another pm saying that I'm truly sorry and even asking him what welching is then he replied that he's just going to get me banned. Can anyone elaborate on this? What's welching? Who was at fault? Is this guy right or is he just being rude? Sorry if this is a stupid question but this is the first time I've run into this conflict and faced a another member like this. Thank you
 
Welching is going back on your word, flaking would be a synonym.
 
jon27 said:
The other night, In the exchange forum I stated I would purchase a zt 0350 but then after further looking at the pictures the thing was beat to hell. And I let the starter of the thread now that I changed my mind, I informed him or her in a nice way. But now he or she is really threatening me saying that he's going to report me for welching and that he is going to get me banned. I Even sent him another pm saying that I'm truly sorry and even asking him what welching is then he replied that he's just going to get me banned. Can anyone elaborate on this? What's welching? Who was at fault? Is this guy right or is he just being rude? Sorry if this is a stupid question but this is the first time I've run into this conflict and faced a another member like this. Thank you
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One should do their homework and look at the pictures, etc... before committing to buy. Period. If you say "I'll take it" that is looked at by most of us as a commitment to buy, It is as good as sold at that point.

Is this guy over reacting or out of line? I don't think enough of the conversion has been made known here to determine yet.

In no way am I saying anyone acted with dishonorable intent, but hopefully this can be chalked up to lesson learned and everyone can move on and deal honorably in the future.
 
welsh
welSH/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: welching
fail to honor (a debt or obligation incurred through a promise or agreement).
"banks began welshing on their agreement not to convert dollar reserves into gold"

Sounds like a sticky situation.

Going back on an "I'll take it" is poor form. You should have looked through the pictures and details provided to make sure that you were satisfied. If not you're not satsified yet still interested ask for more pics and details. If all is good post "I'll take it". If not, move along. Now in the time it takes to ask more for information someone else could have come along and purchased it outright. That is the nature of the game.

However, no money changed hands. No one is out anything. All the seller has to do is move on the the next in line. As long as you didn't leave them hanging too long, politely told them that you were rescinding your offer to buy then that is all there should be to it. A seller can choose who they sell to so in my opinion, an "I'll take it" isn't a contractual agreement as much as it is a firm offer.

If they are harassing you I would put them on ignore and not deal with them again. You wont be banned for this happening one time. If it becomes a pattern then that would be a different story.

We are all human and make mistakes. Patience and politeness go a long way.

Corskin said:
In no way am I saying anyone acted with dishonorable intent, but hopefully this can be chalked up to lesson learned and everyone can move on and deal honorably in the future.
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Edit to add that I agree with this statement.
 
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Thanks for your time, I appreciate the responses guys. Guess I did flake, next time I'll be more thoughtful before I post an I'll take it. Guess I didn't like how the other guy was handling it so I thought he was doing wrong. Thanks again BF.
-Jon
 
Ooh, I am in a contracts class now. Technically, it was contractual relationship once you accepted the terms of his offer, so it was a breach of that contract to sell and buy.

But, running a forum like a courtroom would make everyone miserable. the forums really work more on trust and reputation (the priority given to feedback is an example), so dealing fairly with people is more important than contracts and damages (resolving the situation here could either be paying the profit the seller would have received, or by enforcing the sale, neither which would work out well).

Anyways, I love the forums, I don't think you were too far in the wrong, and it really does take lots of clear communication to make an online forum a happy place!
 
Two conflicting notions here. The first is the contractual issue that Ccc referred to. The second is the premise that no deal is concluded until both parties are satisfied. This forum tends to tilt more toward the second notion than the first and I also love it for that reason. But that's still not an excuse to back out of a deal once you've committed to it. My recommendation? Learn your lesson and don't do it again. Reputation means a lot around here, especially in the Exchange section.
 
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Some advice, repeatedly flaking or backing out of deals is a fast track to getting yourself banned. People make mistakes, once is an accident, a multitude is a habit.
 
You knew exactly what you did, but I'm going to drop it. Don't attempt to purchase anything from me in the future, please.
 
This causes me to wonder……….If a seller has the right to sell to "whomever he wishes" and in the process passing on a firm "I'll take it" for his own personal reasons…………….then why would it not be all right for an "I'll take it" to change his mind a short time later and rescind the offer?????

No right or wrong answers. I was just wondering:confused:

Paul
 
sheathmaker said:
This causes me to wonder……….If a seller has the right to sell to "whomever he wishes" and in the process passing on a firm "I'll take it" for his own personal reasons…………….then why would it not be all right for an "I'll take it" to change his mind a short time later and rescind the offer?????

No right or wrong answers. I was just wondering:confused:

Paul
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One has to do with sticking to your word, you know, honor and what not. The other (passing on an I'll take it) has to do with doing proper research on a buyer. If through vetting I can tell the buyer is going to be trouble for me I will not sell to them. For examples of who you should not sell to, the GB&U is full of threads either about people or started by people you shouldn't sell to. The ignore list is helpful in keeping track of them all.
 
craytab said:
One has to do with sticking to your word, you know, honor and what not. The other (passing on an I'll take it) has to do with doing proper research on a buyer. If through vetting I can tell the buyer is going to be trouble for me I will not sell to them. For examples of who you should not sell to, the GB&U is full of threads either about people or started by people you shouldn't sell to. The ignore list is helpful in keeping track of them all.
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Yep. Saying "I'll take it" doesn't mean you'll get it. There are so many variables going there. E-mails, PM's, etc that could be going on during the time someone states "I'll take it" in the sales thread. An "I'll take it" in the thread does NOT guarantee that you will get the product, there is no rule stating that you have to do that. There is also no rule stating that I have to sell to anyone for any reason. You cannot force the money down a sellers throat, period.

There are good reasons to back out on a deal, or modify it. You may take a hit, but most times it means little. I have a huge list of people that have backed out on sales and cost me time and money. Guess how many I've reported or whined about on the forums? 0..... If I banned them all, well, there'd be at least 50 people here today that would be gone.

To the seller, its not a big deal, move on and let it go. Forumites do take note of troublesome sellers and buyers. Just a word of caution. It can come back on you.
 
You can't force a buyer to buy either.

Questions, tire kickers and flakes are part of doing business.
I've sold many items on this forum and have had to deal with it all. From people disappearing when it comes time for payment to one member unpolitely informing me he wasn't buying after I'd held the item for months for him, this after I'd let him make payments over 6 weeks on a previous purchase.
To be rude and threaten a new paid member with banning over something like this doesn't make sense. Especially when done quickly and politely. Just move on. Perhaps some of these members should just sell on ebay if a contractual "i'll take it" means so much to them. I know one member who is going on my "do not buy from or sell to" list and it's not jon27....
 
Backing out on an internet forum deal in a timely manner is nowhere near as offensive as calling it "Welching." Go try and use that term in Wales and see if you leave the pub with your teeth. I had some classes with an older gentlemen from Wales, and the only time he ever broke from being terribly polite to upset was when this term came up. Or you could go to one of my family reunions and accuse someone of being an "Indian giver"--it's the same action as Welching (or Welshing) with the name changed to offend a different race. And the one who said it would find it exactly how offensive that term is.
 
Wow. I don't know why, but I never put that together before. I sure as hell won't use that term ever again.

Thanks for the heads-up!
 
BitingSarcasm said:
Backing out on an internet forum deal in a timely manner is nowhere near as offensive as calling it "Welching." Go try and use that term in Wales and see if you leave the pub with your teeth. I had some classes with an older gentlemen from Wales, and the only time he ever broke from being terribly polite to upset was when this term came up. Or you could go to one of my family reunions and accuse someone of being an "Indian giver"--it's the same action as Welching (or Welshing) with the name changed to offend a different race. And the one who said it would find it exactly how offensive that term is.
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Yep, exactly. Try having both those bloodlines you mentioned and see how racially offensive those derogatory terms are.....:grumpy: :mad: :(
 
On the other hand calling someone's item beat to hell when he flaked on it with the item still for sale might be bad manners as well.

For the record the seller knocked off about 45% off full Internet cheapest retail price so all said and done it's a fair price.
 
Once you say "I'll take it" in the exchange,it's like a handshake.So be careful to check all the specs,pics & details before you do.
 
All my pencils have erasers. I say we cut the OP some slack and give him an opportunity to learn his lesson. My guess is he's already learned it.
 
BitingSarcasm said:
Backing out on an internet forum deal in a timely manner is nowhere near as offensive as calling it "Welching." Go try and use that term in Wales and see if you leave the pub with your teeth. I had some classes with an older gentlemen from Wales, and the only time he ever broke from being terribly polite to upset was when this term came up. Or you could go to one of my family reunions and accuse someone of being an "Indian giver"--it's the same action as Welching (or Welshing) with the name changed to offend a different race. And the one who said it would find it exactly how offensive that term is.
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I didn't know that term came from the Welsh.Now I must google it.Thanks :)
 
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