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RyanW

RyanW

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I know this has been discussed in the past, but I want to bring it up again. I would like to see if we can get a clarification or even an adjustment in the "Exchange Rules" ...

I don't put out a bunch of knives, and I certainly don't sell a bunch of knives. It seems every time I post a knife for sale in the Exchange "For Sale: Makers" section someone comes in and bumps my One Item, One thread to the bottom or even to then second page the same day... Yesterday was a good example of this. I understand that the "Bumping" was getting out of control, but now items just drop off the radar before anyone can see them. Very rarely do I go to the second page of any section.

I understand people want to sell knives. If you have 10 knives ready to sell, why can't you put them in one consolidated thread? If you put out 20 knives a week maybe you need your own forum here, or become a dealer? I know there are both sides to this issue and I would like to discuss ways to make it better for everyone.

Thoughts: I posed this question to Stacy and he agreed that something needs to be done. Some sort of "Bundling" or limit of active Sale threads per week. That would make people group items or add to existing "Open" Threads. I think 10 Sale threads per week would be a good starting point, if you reach your 10 open threads you either wait or add to one of the open threads. That may be on the second page or bottom of the first. That way you won't be pushing someone else's threads down the list.
 
RyanW said:
If you have 10 knives ready to sell, why can't you put them in one consolidated thread?
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I thought you could? :confused:

I will go back and read the rules again, I hope I didn't totally screw up with my first sale thread :eek:
EDIT: here's what I'm reading from Spark's announcement,
Section 3,Rules for Sellers / Traders / Service Providers (hereafter referred to as "Sellers"):
Rules for everyone:
15. Consolidate your sales listings. Do not list single items in separate threads.
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I agree, there are some kinks that need to be addressed in the makers exchange. I don't think it's fair that the entire first page can be taken up by any one maker. To be honest, I don't even know how it would be possible to post that many knives, including pictures that quickly without any other threads getting in between, but I've seen it. I have a full time job and a family, but I'm in the shop every possible moment and I think I produce a decent number of blades for a newer part time maker and I couldn't come close to posting that many at once. I admire a guy who can produce that many knives, but if a maker can post 12-15 blades at a time I think it's time for your own forum. Either that or we need some adjustments to the exchange. I you sell one knife a week or every other week and you finally get to post it, you shouldn't get bumped to page two that same day or hour.
 
I was thinking the same thing earlier this week.

One person posted 10 knives that day with 10 different threads. Each thread was within minutes of the next. It pushed almost everyone off the first page.

If a person has more than two blades for sale on the same day, they should be in the same thread. I don't have a problem if someone posts a blade at 8am and another later than afternoon; just not within minutes of each other.

10 threads a week sounds reasonable.

If someone needs more than that, they could just buy their own sub-forum.
 
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james terrio said:
I thought you could? :confused:

I will go back and read the rules again, I hope I didn't totally screw up with my first sale thread :eek:
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James, I think Ryan is asking a rhetorical to makers, as in "why can't you guys just put several knives in one thread?" You're good to go with you sales thread buddy!:D
 
Just checking. I'm easily confuzzled :o

Anyway it's a good discussion to bring up. I tend to work in batches, including sending blades out for HT, getting sheaths ready, taking a bunch of pics, adding captions etc... not to mention finding time to edit/resize the pics and stumble my way through figuring out how to post the thread. So while it may seem like I just made a boatload of knives, in reality there may be weeks in between where I don't get anything finished at all. Trust me, all 5 in that thread didn't just pop into existence today! ;)
 
I am in full agreement with you Ryan. I look at the exchange frequently and it seems that some people post 10 knives in a day and the one i am looking at is pushed off the page and forgotten. I have only sold one knife on the exchange, but i was second page after about 7 hours. A lot of people are like you, and don't look at the second page items. I am not concerned with a 10 knife limit....I think that is about my yearly lol....
 
James, no worries

I think that "Oleg Krymlin" is the topic here.

I noticed 25 listings within the first 3 pages, all posted within 2 groups.

I know the rules encourage listing multiple items in one thread.
--but it makes sense to me to put one item in one sales thread

That way all responses and questions are kept together & when it is sold, you close the thread.
No overlapping questions, ill take its.... less confusion.


It is unfair to the other posters however when it pushes the single posters back past the first few pages.

Instead of more reactive rules, ala LK.
Perhaps some individuals who are inclined to post in large batches just need a talking to & encouraged to put their multiple items in one thread.
 
Thanks for all the input guys! I just was hoping for a solution not necessarily new rules. I don't think it is that difficult to group 10 knives in one post. Just number the knives 1 -10, if you have 10 more list them in a new thread 11 -20. My guess that the individual in questions preps this posts in Word then copies and pastes them quickly to keep them all together. most are only 3 minutes apart. He wouldn't want to push his threads on to the next page for Hell sakes :eek:

IMO you are right Count, we don't need another rule but it would be courteous to think about others who use this "Community" forum to show off or sell their goods. Maybe a little activity outside the exchange would be good to see from individuals using it to sell items would make me feel better!
 
OK after some research I have a serious problem with Mr. Krymlin. Every single started thread is a for sale thread, one was looking for a grinding service to help put out 100 Knives a month.... is this the type of maker BF Exchange is made for? I don't mean to be a pain, but I think this is abuse of BF!
 
Boy howdy, I have been wondering about this myself. I've gotten to where I seldom check the maker's sale section anymore because it seems like the same 2 or 3 makers keep anywhere from 5 to 10 active threads spammed up there. I think that a batch should go in a batch thread, and a failure to stay consolidated should be met with gradually more serious consequences. Whatever a maker has for sale should go in his one thread, and repost it ever three days if necessary. If I want to look at ________________'s knives, I'll click on his thread. If not, I shouldn't have to go to page three to find a few other makers. I've only sold a few knives on here and haven't had time to work on any more lately, but I have been perturbed to see the maker's area turn into a few guy's private sale forum. Consolidate or start your own forum! :)

EDIT TO ADD: I think you are right, RyanW, this is kinda like gun control. We don't need new laws/rules, we just need to enforce those that are already in place. The consolidation thing is in effect, it just needs teeth.
 
good thread.. I've never put out a knife for sale yet but have plans to very soon...

the 'bump' rules have their ups and downs (no pun), I think rules can be tweeked a little to make a bump legit.. at least in the makers exchange..
other then that you get run off to the next page by other makers, lets say you can bump your thread within 72hrs this way you won't have to start a new thread.. however if your thread is bumped with a legitimate question it should be taken to PM's or emails to keep the thread from continually being bumped..

It would be more work for the mods to follow time stamps etc, but I think in the long run it would be worth it.. And clean it up...
I'm looking forward to using the exchange in which to list my knives whether I list one or ten I think its common courtesy to make a 'group' thread opposed to bumping everyone who lists one or two times a week...

I'm subscribing to this thread as I'm curious to see where this leads...:thumbup:
 
I make it a practice to go over every listing on the first page every couple of days in the exchange for ideas, and he is the only person I skip completely. I find it annoying when he puts up all of those listings and really think it is time for him to get a sub-forum and do it there. 10 threads a month, great. 100 a month? not so much.
 
OK, I've just spent a solid hour looking into this, and boy do I need a beer! Here are my thoughts:

I LIKE listing multiple knives in one thread. Partly because I tend to get several done within a few days of each other, and might as well take pics, do write-ups, etc all at once and get it done. I'm inherently a "work smarter, not harder" kind of guy. BUT I also like putting more than one knife in front of a potential customer without expecting them to search for everything I have out there, to show that I don't just make the same thing over and over, I'm trying to be versatile and offer options.

I do feel strongly that the only reason to list ten or twenty different threads at a time is a lame and transparent attempt to dominate the sales forum. It makes things harder to find for buyers, and harder for other makers to get the exposure they paid for. The rules clearly state "consolidate your threads." Boom, done. If the mods start infracting or banning people who won't play along with that, the problem will go away.

Of course, I could be completely wrong, it's happened before...
 
The rules encourage listing mutiple items in on post:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=746&a=98

SECTION 3 - Rules for Sellers / Traders / Service Providers (hereafter referred to as "Sellers"):

15.Consolidate your sales listings. Do not list single items in separate threads.
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This has been a problem before:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...or-makers-forsale-forum?p=9720488#post9720488

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/858225-Makers-flood-posting...-bomb-posting..-spam
 
RyanW said:
...one was looking for a grinding service to help put out 100 Knives a month...
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I saw that too.

In that case, the knives shouldn't be in the custom section anyway.

He needs a forum if he wants to post that many knives.
 
Wow , I posted this question 2 days ago and not one hit , but yes , either a rule or the offender needs to be advised it is not fair to others . I know that another maker contacted Oleg and brought this to his attention . We shall see what happens . My thoughts , 3 maybe 4 post per page .
 
I like that James and Bruce have reminded us that it is ALREADY in the rules that you are to consolidate your sales threads. This clearly isn't a case of listing a knife, then finishing another one quicker than expected and listing it soon after the first. We're talking about a deliberate and intentional spamming of the makers for sale area. I don't think it should be tolerated.

I also agree with count like other posters that more rules just muddy the waters too much. How about more strict enforcement of what's already in place?
 
Thanks again everyone for your input. I did a search because I recall a few threads on this issue but couldn't find them. Bruce hit the nail on the head. The rule is there, we need to decide what that means "Consolidate your sales listings. Do not list single items in separate threads." does that mean I posted a thread yesterday so I need to add the knife I finished today to that Thread? I don't think that works. There are a lot of makers that put out a lot of knives, and they should be able to sell their knives here. I see these makers post occasionally in the Exchange ie: Patton, Fiddleback, Bailey... the list is long. I love to look at these knives and have bought more than I should have :rolleyes: They are perfect examples of makers that don't abuse the system. More than just One maker is spamming the Exchange.

My suggestion on what "Consolidate your sales listings. Do not list single items in separate threads" really means: If you posted a knife for sale in the last 24 Hrs on the exchange you need to wait to post another Item in that category. This doesn't mean you can't sell more than one knife every 24 hrs. you just need to consolidate knives into one Sale thread.
 
Ryan, we must have posted knives at the same time, because the same thing happened with two of my knives. I actually watched my knife move down the page every 4 minutes. He posted 7 knives that day and my knife was more than half way down the page by the time it was all done. I would think that 4 or 5 open threads within a 48 hour period would work. If someone has more knives than that, they can combine them.
 
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