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Exclusives - Need "Thought- to- share"?

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by Sal Glesser, Nov 13, 2020.

  1. bdmicarta

    bdmicarta Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 16, 2012
    I've made the suggestion before that Spyderco should offer a few models as catalog items in some of the more popular super steels. For instance there should ba a factory Manix 2 and/or PM2 in a steel such as 4V/Rex45/K390. Maybe a Military in Cruwear. That type thing. I'm interested in the exclusives because of the steels, not so much the colors. If I could buy a new PM2 in Rex45 then I wouldn't feel so bad about missing the 4V exclusive. I think it has been great that there are still catalog models available in S110V, which is pretty hard to beat unless you reallly like carbon steel, and I have PM2 and Manix2 versions of those.
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  2. RustyIron


    Dec 4, 2019
    You must not want it very bad, otherwise you'd just pay the fair market value. And the dealers' prices really ARE the fair market value, as evidenced by the other customers who pay the price. People who want to pay less than fair market value need to be patient and wait until some patsy comes along who doesn't know what his product is worth.

    I have several sprints and exclusives sitting here on my desk. If I was to sell them to you for less than the dealers are getting, then I would be a fool.
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  3. RustyIron


    Dec 4, 2019
    You're in luck! I found a bunch of Paramilitary 2's in REX 45 on eBay. Send us a picture of the one you choose.
  4. bdmicarta

    bdmicarta Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 16, 2012
    Well I was thinking in terms of the older G10 model, but I've since gotten a PM2 in K390 so I'm covered.
  5. RamZar

    RamZar Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 3, 2013
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  6. Cowboyfromhell666


    May 13, 2019
    I would like to see a custom shop like other companies have. Seems like untapped money for spyderco. Still waiting for my COFFEE CUP Sal, let's make it happen sir.
  7. mjw88


    Nov 30, 2016
    S30v and black g10 work fine for actual use. Maybe not great for instagram pics. Just keep doing what you do however you would like.

    ETA in my opinion you make the best product at its price. I dont need the latest and greatest steel or pretty colors. Just a functional tool, which you make very well.
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  8. sharp_edge

    sharp_edge Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 30, 2015
    The idea of custom shop may not be a good one, for almost everyone involved. For ELU, I suspect the prices of custom shop knives would actually be higher than current exclusives/sprints, plus the knives would no longer be rare. For dealers, they would basically be eliminated (i.e., they'd limited to selling regular productions), so no such money to make for them. For Spyderco, it would not get the pre-payments as how/what it gets from dealers in order to start making exclusives, plus cutting ties with dealers would not be something that Sal does AFAIK.
  9. jstn

    jstn Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 27, 2012
    Exclusives are fun, and part of the fun is their exclusivity. I’ve missed out on plenty, but there are always more. I wouldn’t enjoy it if I got every one, and also, I would be impoverished.
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  10. Ron Sabbagh

    Ron Sabbagh Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Sep 15, 1999
    I have nothing against exclusives

    my only suggestion would be to have the unlimited models updated for 2020 with respect to materials.

    Black G10 and S30V are a bit boring.

    I think that if you offered updated materials on non exclusives, it’s a win win for everyone

    If you have already done this, forgive my ignorance as I don’t keep up with all the new releases like I used to.
  11. Blues

    Blues Lapsed SuperMod / Cattle Knife Rustler Staff Member Super Mod

    Oct 2, 1998
    Next outburst will win an unwanted prize...

    Let's spare those who are not interested in a free-for-all the bother, and anyone who cares to can take it to PM or email. Or anywhere but here.

    Forewarned is forearmed.
  12. Eli Chaps

    Eli Chaps Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Apr 20, 2018
    Howdy Sal,

    As always, thank you so much for the community engagement and soliciting of our thoughts and opinions. It's an exceedingly rare opportunity and I hope everyone appreciates it.

    First, these knives, exclusives especially, are overwhelmingly just wants for most of us. They are not needs.

    My only personal gripes with exclusives are:

    1) Sometimes the configuration I like is being sold at a dealer I don't. But that's my hang up not Spyderco's.

    2) I wouldn't want exclusives to inhibit regular production variety. Surely, I don't expect Spyderco to carry Manix 2's in 10 different steels and thirty different color combinations. That's obviously ridiculous. So from that perspective exclusives make sense. But, if say, I don't know orange or red or whatever is "allocated" to a particular dealer so those colors don't or won't in the future ever be available in production models so as to preserve that dealer's exclusivity, that's a bit of a bummer. But, it's a pretty minor one in the grand scheme.

    I've never understood the "flipper argument". Yes, flippers are scumbags but if people didn't buy from them, they wouldn't exist. And if people are willing to pay incredibly inflated prices, then so be it. Who am I to tell them how to spend their money? I can think they're nuts, but it's their money. I just don't have to participate. And if I miss out on something, well, that's the choice I've made and all my current knives will still cut stuff really good tomorrow. :)

    Spyderco arguably offers more variety, be it standard production or limited runs, than any cutlery company on the planet. If you didn't, none of this would even be a topic as we'd just have XYZ to choose from, take or leave it. In my opinion, this all really boils down to the want-level of each consumer. Each of us will decide how badly we want something and if that limit is exceeded, then we've made a conscious choice to go without that thing.
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  13. sliceofaloha

    sliceofaloha Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 4, 2018
    Maybe a bridge from exclusives to custom shop can be limiting the time a dealer can have an exclusive to a certain term. That term extends through the fulfillment of the dealer exclusive order and then some to account for time to make a subsequent order, maybe a year. If no subsequent order is made then it becomes an available option in the custom shop and costs more than the dealer exclusive just by virtue of it being a one-off order and needs to for the extra expense Spyderco takes on to provide the custom shop pieces.

    This maintains an amount of exclusivity for the lucky ones and isn't excessively long to wait for one you really wanted but missed.
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  14. Eli Chaps

    Eli Chaps Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Apr 20, 2018
    I like it the concept of timing. The cost thing should be based on business costs though, but of course it would be a premium regardless.
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  15. Random Dan

    Random Dan Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 21, 2012
    What if some dealers were to offer preorders for their exclusives? That wouldn't be adding risk of left over inventory, but it would give people who aren't super fast a chance to grab one.
  16. RamZar

    RamZar Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 3, 2013
    Back in September 2020, KnifeWorks sold some of its Exclusive Delica4 CTS-204P Forest Green FRN (C11FPDGR) on pre-order and the rest later at a set date & time.
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  17. Random Dan

    Random Dan Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 21, 2012
    That seems like a good compromise. As long as enough stock can be made to match all the preorders plus extra
  18. RamZar

    RamZar Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 3, 2013
    I doubt if Spyderco can really force a dealer to abide to some guidelines when it comes to Exclusives except for not selling below MAP. Most dealers want to recoup their capital investment in an Exclusive ASAP. This means different things like ordering the least possible quantity from Spyderco, not limiting customers to one per household, selling at MAP (some sell above MAP and below MSRP), etc.
  19. Ajack60

    Ajack60 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 21, 2013
    It’s a no win situation. On the one hand, it would be great if dealers didn’t announce an exclusive release date. They just put them in stock and word of mouth gives everyone a better chance to get one before the flippers find out. Limit the quantity to one or two.
    But on the other hand, having thousands of dollars invested in a single product without advertising is taking a huge risk. I know I wouldn’t want to take that kind of a risk.
    Thank goodness the discussion is about missing out on a limited number of knives. Hell, the hunt is half the fun regardless of where it’s procured from.
    Me, I have to hunt on the secondary market. If they’re stupidly too high, it’s a pass. If after some time prices don’t get reasonable ( IMO, which they do ), then I just won’t own that particular one.
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  20. mdeous


    Nov 6, 2020
    Random thought: if there were enough exclusives for everyone they wouldn't be exclusive anymore.

    Of course rarity leads to speculation as with anything for which there is less offer than demand, but if these were mass produced, would collectors still want one so much? I don't think exclusives are a bad thing or there is anything wrong with the way they're distributed. That's just how that market segment works.
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