F ball bearings! OK, maybe not so much now, opinion changing

craytab said:
Why not make the "real assessment" before you start a thread about Fing-something?
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Again, and again, I admitted my mistake. You want to keep jabbing at someone who admitted they were wrong, or is it your way to keep lording over people? I am sure you have never made a mistake. I assume that by making an error I will never be able to say anything without you jumping down my throat even when I admit I could be wrong and am reassessing my position.

So lets make sure everyone here only states facts supported by science and empirical data, no more opinions! The great CRAYTAB HAS SPOKEN!

I also tried to let this thread die and was going to report my assessment in another thread. Someone else decided to revive the long dead thread. People just love to troll and stir the hornets nest.
 
Wanimator said:
It's a free market. I don't see an issue either way. If you really hate ball bearing knives you can replace the bearings with washers.
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Yes and no. Its quite difficult to source washers that will properly fit a knife previously utilizing bearings. This is why I think companies should have washers made for bearing knives as an option. The other alternative is to stack washers. But only greg medford and a few chinese corner cutters agree with this.
 
Mick_1KRR said:
Don't worry you're definitely not talking out your ass mate, i think once the titanium has been worn a bit by the metal pushing it there is a point where it will almost come to a stop. This is because the bearing will not so much wear or sand down the titanium but almost push it aside, in a similar way to how you peen metal to push it or secure something in place (think CRK ceramic balls in the lock bar) Once a small rounded trough has been cut in, i think the curve of that race will snug around the bearing slightly which will slow the rate of wear down significantly :) There's a proper term for this but i forget what it is. Like i said it's a moot point since it won't break the knife, but i'm a bit OCD and like to ponder on these things.
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I think the term you are looking for as in my previous post is called work hardening. That's the part where I said I was uncertain, if rolling troughs into titanium would qualify as work hardening titanium.

There seems to be some basis for this though. Knives like my Emersons come with Ti lock bars which often have lockstick until they wear to a point where the lockbar face has matched its self with the blade tang lockface and for some reason the wear seems to slow down significantly. Now I am not sure if this is at all due to work hardening. I theorize that as the Ti lockface is worn down by the blade tang lockface it becomes a closer and closer match to exactly what the correct geometry would be for a perfect mating surface. Eventually the lock stick, which was caused by the tang lockface sticking out further than necessary for an ideal lockup, seems to happen less and less. When the Ti lockbar has been worn to the point where the blade tang is not having to be galled against a lockface the lockstick and a large portion stops. I have seen this process in effect on many of my Emersons which come with a fair amount of lockstick suddenly stop sticking. While it was sticking the wear on the lockbar seemed to happen pretty fast. Once it wore to its "sweet spot" the wear seemed to virtually stop.

I am not sure if cold work hardening has any contribution to this or if i just a case of the Ti-lockbar matching up with the blade tang better.
 
Aldebaran said:
Again, and again, I admitted my mistake. You want to keep jabbing at someone who admitted they were wrong, or is it your way to keep lording over people? I am sure you have never made a mistake. I assume that by making an error I will never be able to say anything without you jumping down my throat even when I admit I could be wrong and am reassessing my position.

So lets make sure everyone here only states facts supported by science and empirical data, no more opinions! The great CRAYTAB HAS SPOKEN!

I also tried to let this thread die and was going to report my assessment in another thread. Someone else decided to revive the long dead thread. People just love to troll and stir the hornets nest.
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And that is my point. Flying off the handle has no place in discussion. Use the knife or don't. Grand claims rarely are relevant without experience. You started a thread saying f-whatever. Don't be surprised by the reaction.
 
craytab said:
And that is my point. Flying off the handle has no place in discussion. Use the knife or don't. Grand claims rarely are relevant without experience. You started a thread saying f-whatever. Don't be surprised by the reaction.
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Jab, jab jab jab, jab, get off your high horse oh great craytab. I am beginning you are either a troll, a post count whore, or both. I am glad there is an ignore button on these forums.
 
"Swappable" washers might work, but I don't like the idea just from a design idea, it seems so inelegant. I should whip up some on my lathe and see how well that idea works.
 
J85909266 said:
I honestly don't think swappable washers are worth it to all but the nichest of niches.
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No one will know unless someone tries. But to be fair i was told the exact same thing about 11 years ago on the subject of bearings never becoming popular in the first place.
 
Exactly what I was just going to post Cray.
OP, just look at the title of your thread. And you wonder why you got some colorful reactions??
Ignorant is the word that comes to mind. Seems like you're getting a little tude from the reactions you've gotten. You wouldn't have if you worded your title differently.
I have a feeling you got exactly what you were looking for.


craytab said:
Why not make the "real assessment" before you start a thread about Fing-something?
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Aldebaran said:
"Swappable" washers might work, but I don't like the idea just from a design idea, it seems so inelegant. I should whip up some on my lathe and see how well that idea works.
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Well i dont like the idea of going into a hardware store and just taking stock washers off the shelf. But that isnt what im proposing. Either way what is elegant about a washer pivot in the first place?
 
palonej said:
Exactly what I was just going to post Cray.
OP, just look at the title of your thread. And you wonder why you got some colorful reactions??
Ignorant is the word that comes to mind. Seems like you're getting a little tude from the reactions you've gotten. You wouldn't have if you worded your title differently.
I have a feeling you got exactly what you were looking for.
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I dont think he is questioning the push back he originally got. I think he is questioning why it is continuing after admitting he may have been wrong, has since purchased bearing knives and is planning on testing them and reporting his findings. To be fair to him its not as if he bumped his own thread talking the same game. He just seems like he wants to figure it out for himself before taking a definitive stance yet again without that first hand experience. The very issue many including me took pause over in the first place.
 
You said it PURPLEDC, these guys just keep flogging. They don't care that someone admitted they were wrong and is willing to re-evaluate a bad statement. All they want is to look superior and play forum god. This is the first forum where I have used the ignore button. I only use it because of repeated and pointless reiterations of personal attacks even when I have admitted my error. Some people must have such small lives to spend their time to keep beating people up when they have already conceded. What can I say?

I can repeat myself over and over and some people only see what they want, to the contrary. It is pointless to explain over and over again.
 
Well they are people i respect. I may not always agree with them but i assume that they often dont agree with me. Either way my intentions werent to take sides but rather to shed light on how i was interpreting the issue in case they really were in the dark on the disagreement. Just try to understand for many this forum gos beyond a casual hangout and passions can run deep.
 
I am not invested in this conversation but I did read through it a few months ago and found it interesting for the most part. I am only chiming in to offer a small suggestion: A Aldebaran , you can edit your thread title to reflect your changed outlook, making it a wee bit less caustic sounding. A lot of folks are seeing this now after it has been resurrected and are probably commenting based on your initial post and provocative title, without reading the thread in its entirety.
 
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I think you'll keep getting comments you won't like till you adjust your title.
Members tend not to read the entire thread, just the title, then comment.
Just a suggestion.
 
OK, I will take the suggestion and edit the title. Sounds like a good idea to me. That way people won't have to read the thread before making accusations and false statements, not that most people do that anyway :)
 
I went to Destin on a family trip the week before Easter. Clipped my small sebenza cf inlay iwb of my swim shorts. After a day of playing volleyball on the beach, playing in the surf, building sand castles with my beautiful niece and nephews I realized my knife was gritty (duh) when we got back to the cottage. I did not tote my Allen wrench or rem oil on vacation with me. I simply rinsed and worked the action underneath the faucet wiping some brown (rust) off the blade. Took a dab of sun screen and coated the blade and I knew I would be ready for the next day.

Granted I am a knife nut but I did not feel the urge to get on the internet and trash talk s35 steel for rusting or pb washers for retaining a minute amount of debris. (I realize this thread is about ball bearing pivots). Anyway, I've got one bb knife (tilock) and never had any problems with it. I may of strayed off topic a bit but I feel I'm in the ball park. (Or just share haha). Enjoy the hobby
 
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Time to move from discussing each other. Use the ignore function instead.
 
:thumbsup::thumbsup: for adjusting the title!! Hoping you change your mind re bearings. You're cheating yourself out of some fantastic knives brother!!
I'd like to comment on a particular knife brought up in this discussion. It was used as ammunition to support the statement made that bearings suck.
It's the Spyderco Advocate. So much has been said about what a POS this knife is.
I bought one to check out, couldn't believe it could be that bad.
It's not. Maybe a few had issues, but after 3 weeks and countless flips, mine is perfect. Amazing flipper, excellent build quality, smooth and fast as any other BB flipper I have.
Just wanted to put that out there.
Joe
 
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