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I believe many of you have seen youtube video of knife clones form wish.

They are fairly well made and sold for 1/10 of the price.

Selling/buying knockoffs are WRONG. But from the other angle, if chinese factories can make 90% identical copy of knives for 10% of the cost and still be profitable, all the Made In USA should really work hard on how to control the cost. Sitting behind "made in USA" and hoping to charge a premium just because of those three words doesn't help.

Imagine if it is in a war, another country could make warship, fighter jet with 10% of the cost and 90% of the performance compared to those made in USA.
 
OP doesn't appear to understand economics or business at all.

Making up numbers like "90% identical copy of knives" doesn't help. In no way are most fakes and clones anywhere close to 90% copies. They use crap steel, and crap-to-non-existent heat treat as well as inferior hardware that will strip-out if you look at it wrong.

The only time real "Made In USA" manufacturers need to worry, is when the knockoffs actually DO offer 90% of the performance and value. And they aren't even close right now. Not by a long shot.

Won't end well, indeed. IBTL.
 
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Because you have no reliable evidence of the quality of the product (the steel being what it says it is, the heat treatment being correct, the materials being genuine etc), the welfare of the workers (how can they be earning a living wage?), guarantee if the product breaks or is defective.
Would you honestly be able to rely on something that is 'too good to be true' while funding industrial espionage/theft and perpetuating slave labour?
I know what I choose.
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shane45-1911 said:
OP doesn't appear to understand economics or business at all.

Making up numbers like "90% identical copy of knives" doesn't help. In no way are most fakes and clones anywhere close to 90% copies. They use crap steel, and crap-to-non-existent heat treat as well as inferior hardware that will strip-out if you look at it wrong.

The only time real "Made In USA" manufacturers need to worry, is when the knockoffs actually DO offer 90% of the performance. And we aren't even close right now. Not by a long shot.

Won't end well, indeed. IBTL.
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Well, this is the video that intrigued me to have this post:


In this particular video, Benchmade has its failures compared to knockoff which is 1/10 of the cost.

Chinese knife makers have access to 8Cr13MoV, D2, and some other European steels, if treated right, could offer very good performance. In the video, the knockoff was sharper and stay sharp, and the locking mechanism never fail.

In addition, its an OTF which is much more complicated to make compared to folding knives. If 10% of the cost can get them this far, how about 20%, 30%?
 
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S1000V said:
Well, this is the video that intrigued me to have this post:

Chinese knife makers have access to 8Cr13MoV, D2 and some other steel, it treated right, could offer very good performance.
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That's your first mistake - assuming anything on YouTube is representative of reality.

Your second mistake is assuming that Chinese knockoffs use the same D2 (or 8Cr13MoV, or ANY other steel) that domestic sources use. The amount of impurities in Chinese D2 is in no way an equivalent to quality smelted domestic D2.

Your third mistake is assuming that the knockoff companies will actually pay to have someone heat treat and temper their knives properly. It won't happen - quality costs money. There is a reason why there are dedicated heat treatment facilities domestically. It is a science and an art.

Give up your fight while you are ahead. At worst, you won't get razzed too badly. At best, you won't get banned. You are seriously off-base on this.
 
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S1000V said:
Well, this is the video that intrigued me to have this post:


In this particular video, Benchmade has its failures compared to knockoff which is 1/10 of the cost.

Chinese knife makers have access to 8Cr13MoV, D2 and some other steel, it treated right, could offer very good performance.
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'Have access to' and 'if treated right' do not equate to 'definitely is'.
It's like buying a Great Wall Steed pickup truck or spending double and buying a Toyota Hilux pickup.
 
Do you really believe the steel is what they say it is? Even if it's a cheaper steel (hint: it is), do you believe it's actually made properly? Do you actually trust the lock?

Saving money on a cheap knife can cost you a lot more when you have to pay the hospital for stitches.
 
You also have to consider that the actual cost of many Chinese made knives isn't reflective. The Chinese government has artificially devalued their own currency for decades. It allows them to basically force other countries to purchase from them for the best price. They also heavily subsidize producers in order to keep pricing low. At the end of the day, the Chinese government wants the country to be the place other places have their stuff manufactured. As long as boatloads of stuff ships out, they'll be ahead of the game.

So you have devalued currency, manipulation, and low wages in many cases netting them an unfair advantage.

I don't want to totally crap on them. China has innovated itself to the point that there ARE reasons to purchase Chinese goods because the quality is great. Some of the higher end knives are incredible. It's just the fact the crap sold on the Wish app isn't that sort of product.
 
S1000V said:
Imagine if it is in a war, another country could make warship, fighter jet with 10% of the cost and 90% of the performance compared to those made in USA.
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Yeah... that's not happening. The F-22 is air superiority and there's no such thing as 90% air superiority.
You get what you pay for, sir.

S1000V said:
Selling/buying knockoffs are WRONG. But from the other angle, if chinese factories can make 90% identical copy of knives for 10% of the cost and still be profitable, all the Made In USA should really work hard on how to control the cost. Sitting behind "made in USA" and hoping to charge a premium just because of those three words doesn't help.
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There's a cost associated with development that makers of knock offs aren't paying.
Then there's lots of questions one might raise about the working/living conditions of these people who are paid to make these products.

You can go beat the competition drum elsewhere, because thievery is thievery, and ethical dilemmas are more important than the dollars you keep in your wallet.
 
shane45-1911 said:
inferior hardware that will strip-out if you look at it wrong.
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Supporting Makers of standards based quality goods means the hardware won't strip or crossthread when a knowledgable hobbyist applies a quality tool... repeated failures reliably
Lord help just plain folks looking to save a buck-
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Really interesting, the culture in China. I am not for a second defending it, and if you know me, you know that if I start talking about my opinion of the gov of China, it's gonna get mods here.

But, Chinese fakers have wanted to reach out and thank makers, for creating a design so great that they could copy it and be able to sell it, feed their family, etc. Copyright is a different idea there. I blame buyers here more than a poor Chinese dude wanting to feed his family and probably trying to be a real craftsman. It's an impossible situation, you live in communist China making 440 knives, I have no hate there. It SUCKS, and I'd be angry and put a stop to it, but it isn't personal. The circumstances are hard and I would prioritize feeding my family over, you know, Sal's royalties or whatever, if I were them.

YOU know better than to buy a fake. It is up to you to be a responsible consumer. Do you want to be a moral consumer, or not? I get that the Ganzo is likely to seperate a lot of materials that need separating, but just a little bit of pride, my man. You admit yourself that it's wrong, so that is the end of that. The lock could work. I have had cheap Chinese knives that lock perfect. Another just about fell apart in my hands.
 
S1000V said:
I believe many of you have seen youtube video of knife clones form wish.

They are fairly well made and sold for 1/10 of the price.

Selling/buying knockoffs are WRONG. But from the other angle, if chinese factories can make 90% identical copy of knives for 10% of the cost and still be profitable, all the Made In USA should really work hard on how to control the cost. Sitting behind "made in USA" and hoping to charge a premium just because of those three words doesn't help.

Imagine if it is in a war, another country could make warship, fighter jet with 10% of the cost and 90% of the performance compared to those made in USA.
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In before he's banned 🤣🤣
 
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