Fake Sebenza 25

I'm curious as to how the pivot is made on these fakes. Do they go so far as to use a bushing and phosphor bronze washers, or do they just use nylon washers and pressure pivot? I held a cheap fake at a Haji shop in Afghanistan, buy it was obvious since it had a cheap locking mechanism to prevent the frame lock from failing. The ones posted here look quite convincing.
 
Like HAZE, I ONLY buy from a dealer now, especially when it comes to certain knives in question or from a Forum Friend........The old addage that " If A Deal Is To Good To Be True, It Usually Is " has never been more true, especially when we are talking about knives costing hundreds of dollars.
 
BEWARE, Now there are Sellers on the bay selling them here in the USA and in My Good Ole Pennsylvania........ Though they clearly state its a "clone", its just WRONG on so many levels.
 
Lol! I'm not saying it's the same knife or photos.

Just that they look the same as fake. Is what I was inclining.

Medic1210 said:
Wouldn't all plain Sebenza 25's look the same? The photos showing above don't look like the same photos in that link. Maybe all the photos aren't loaded and I'm not seeing the same ones?
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[vendor name removed by staff] is an online company out of china selling these fakes,& fake zaans as well.they claim to have the ceramic ball bearing on the lockbar face;if its a cheaply made material & it breaks, it will no longer lock & the lockbar will wind up all the way at the other side,& youll have massive play in the blade.theres a broken blade on the crk website on a clone, who knows what else can fail on these junkers ?
 
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goldie said:
"Idiotsshophere" is an online company out of china selling these fakes,& fake zaans as well.they claim to have the ceramic ball bearing on the lockbar face;if its a cheaply made material & it breaks, it will no longer lock & the lockbar will wind up all the way at the other side,& youll have massive play in the blade.theres a broken blade on the crk website on a clone, who knows what else can fail on these junkers ?
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Why are you given them free advertising and on a sub forum for one of the manufacturers that's being ripped off by those gas heads no less ? It might be wise to edit your post......
 
Even if the fake knife was identical in all aspects, including tolerance, I would still willingly pay more for the CRK. Ethics and copyright issues aside, I would like to think some of the profit made when I buy a CRK goes to fund R&D at CRK, and we can look forward to more awesome new products in the future. I also hope the Reeve family and their workforce makes enough to support a great life for them, and keeps them interested in the health of the business. There's nothing worse for a product line than a company owner who is weary, broke, or disinterested. My hope is that international copyright laws can be strengthened to protect small businesses like CRK who can't take on the job themselves. If the US government was serious, they could put pressure on China and others to get tough with these thieves. The EU managed to do it in Europe with wine and cheese. Only Champagne from Champagne, only Brie from Brie etc.
 
The problem is that money talks and lots of money shouts, very loudly. The US, and Europe for that matter, will do nothing because there are all sorts of greements made regarding trade and deals on energy etc. etc. made with China. You can bet "they" have no intention at all of jeopardising those by making a fuss about copied and fake products (not to mention human rights or social freedoms and so on). The ripping off has been going on for a very long time now in a very wide range of areas, do you not think if something was going to be done "they" might have at least started to combat the issue by now ?....

kidcongo said:
Even if the fake knife was identical in all aspects, including tolerance, I would still willingly pay more for the CRK. Ethics and copyright issues aside, I would like to think some of the profit made when I buy a CRK goes to fund R&D at CRK, and we can look forward to more awesome new products in the future. I also hope the Reeve family and their workforce makes enough to support a great life for them, and keeps them interested in the health of the business. There's nothing worse for a product line than a company owner who is weary, broke, or disinterested. My hope is that international copyright laws can be strengthened to protect small businesses like CRK who can't take on the job themselves. If the US government was serious, they could put pressure on China and others to get tough with these thieves. The EU managed to do it in Europe with wine and cheese. Only Champagne from Champagne, only Brie from Brie etc.
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I guess I agree it is largely hopeless Haze. Its certainly not a victimless crime as it hurts both the inventor of the product, their workers, and the guy who buys it thinking its legit. You'd think someone could get excited about it. How about some 'Idaho Made' politicians?
 
It would indeed be very nice to see some real protection put in place for those getting bashed by the copied stuff, but it seems it's all just down to customer morals and that is and should be a worry....as we have seen here time and again those fakes pop up in the US market regularly so someone in the US is happily buying them. Not much one can do when your own county men are happy to piss all over you and all that you have worked for. :(

kidcongo said:
I guess I agree it is largely hopeless Haze. Its certainly not a victimless crime as it hurts both the inventor of the product, their workers, and the guy who buys it thinking its legit. You'd think someone could get excited about it. How about some 'Idaho Made' politicians?
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OK, I think there is a difference between a clone and an outright fake. Most of these knives are fakes because they illegally use the maker's trademark usually in an attempt to fool someone into thinking it is an original. A clone is usually a knife which is inspired by the original by sharing a similar design but does not attempt to fool anyone. As long as there is no infringement on patent design, clones are generally acceptable....Let's face it, there are a ton of decent knives out there made by respectable companies that are inspired by CRK. These Chinese fakes should be completely pulled off of eBay.
 
I don't accept that at all and frankly it just sounds like apologist nonsense. "Inspired by" doesn't mean looks exactly the same or as close as the producer can get it. I and I'm sure many here make little or no distinction between a branded fake Sebenza and an unbranded clone of a Sebenza. As I say, it's all down to customer morals....

Hiker Boy said:
OK, I think there is a difference between a clone and an outright fake. Most of these knives are fakes because they illegally use the maker's trademark usually in an attempt to fool someone into thinking it is an original. A clone is usually a knife which is inspired by the original by sharing a similar design but does not attempt to fool anyone. As long as there is no infringement on patent design, clones are generally acceptable....Let's face it, there are a ton of decent knives out there made by respectable companies that are inspired by CRK. These Chinese fakes should be completely pulled off of eBay.
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On one of hte fake sites they have a knife listed that's in the shape of a sebenza (and says sebenza in the description) has fake "carbon fiber" scales, uses an unlicensed Benchmade Axis lock, and has SOG knives printed on the blade. They managed to rip off three manufacturers in one knife. Almost makes you wonder if they see it as a game, trying to see what they can get away with and how many feathers they can ruffle.
 
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