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honestly don't like the steel for this offering... I'd rather see a 14c28n version, for toughness...
you want a dagger to have toughness over edge retention (at least imho)

it would also hopefully make them half the cost, I'm just not interested in this at all for the current pricepoint

This sums it up for me, as well.
 
The Rockwell hardness of 14C28N is 55-62 HRC, the VG-1 original version is 59 RW hardness according to the box on mine. Someone in this thread mentioned that CPM-20V is a "HUGE" upgrade to the original VG-10 steel. I've never heard of CPM-20V, or at least not much until this thread. Are we chasing our tails here or is this a real thing? I really wanted a CPM-3V version of this, but this looks good to me. Doesn't seem like a HUGE upgrade though, especially without a coated blade.

The only reason I'm looking at it as an upgrade is because it may resist sweat better in the summer, which is when I would normally carry a small knife like this. Seems like about the same hardness properties though. If I'm wrong, please school me.

I don't really care about sharpening or edge retention, this is obviously a one use knife.
 
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They are. All Fallkniven fixed blades are made by Hattori.

I have heard that several times before. I'm just curious of the source of this information. I don't doubt it at all.

TBH, my Japanese Cold Steels of the past few years are just a bit higher quality than my Taiwan blades. But not by a whole lot.
 
I have heard that several times before. I'm just curious of the source of this information. I don't doubt it at all.

TBH, my Japanese Cold Steels of the past few years are just a bit higher quality than my Taiwan blades. But not buy a whole lot.
OK. I have personally visited Ichiro Hattori's factory in Seki Japan and he personally showed me both an A1 and Cowwry-X damascus NL-5 Idun that he has signed "Ichiro". In the knife industry it is common knowledge that Hattori took over from Linder Solingen on the F1 in 1997, and made all the Fallknivem fixed blades since then. The FK folders are made by Moki, also in Seki. I got his permission then to create this site.


The Fallkniven page is here.


BTW Fallkniven's site also mentions Hattori.

Ichiro Hattori is arguably the most highly regarded fixed blade maker in Japan. However, the downside is that pretty much anything he makes is generally expensive.
The Cold Steel Sanmai III VG1 core Trail Master in my personal opinion is the most cost attractive knife he makes.
 
Thank you sir! I was confused, because I thought based on current Japanese knife laws it was now illegal for them to make dagger style blades in Seki. Apparently this is not the case? Or not anymore?
 
They are. All Fallkniven fixed blades are made by Hattori.
Good to know. I've scrolled the Hattori sites. The problem with CS Hattori are the handles are garbage and for the prices a good custom maker can be bought. Falks handles are better but still not great, custom makers can be had for similar money. Both falk and CS need to step up the handles aside from the stacked leather on some falk which is nice.
 
Thank you sir! I was confused, because I thought based on current Japanese knife laws it was now illegal for them to make dagger style blades in Seki. Apparently this is not the case? Or not anymore?
Daggers were made illegal to sell or possess in Japan after the 2008 Akihabara knife incident, and those laws are still in effect.
It was never made illegal to manufacture and they can me made provided special paperwork is completed ensuring that the daggers are for "export only". So it adds a little additional time/cost.

In addition to Daggers (any double edged), Tanto knives also became illegal.
 
Good to know. I've scrolled the Hattori sites. The problem with CS Hattori are the handles are garbage and for the prices a good custom maker can be bought. Falks handles are better but still not great, custom makers can be had for similar money. Both falk and CS need to step up the handles aside from the stacked leather on some falk which is nice.
The Cold Steel Kraton and Fallkniven Thermorun handles are the result of their respective order requirements. Hattori himself does not use synthetic handles on 99.9% ofl of his own branded knives, and uses various woods, micarta and stacked leather. These are all traditional well established handle/scale materials and in general are considered "nicer" than synthetics by many, including myself. I personally have examples of all types, and my US made CS SRK's handle is fine, having bought the knife in 1989/90.

There have been threads here on BF about synthetic handles and it all comes down to personal taste. Synthetic handles started appearing in the 1980s when new materials such as Kevlar and Valox started replacing the old steel, canvas and leather of military gear. Knives that have synthetic handles have passed military requirements around the world and have been in wide use for the last 30 years. So no, they certainly aren't "garbage".
 
Daggers were made illegal to sell or possess in Japan after the 2008 Akihabara knife incident, and those laws are still in effect.
It was never made illegal to manufacture and they can me made provided special paperwork is completed ensuring that the daggers are for "export only". So it adds a little additional time/cost.

In addition to Daggers (any double edged), Tanto knives also became illegal.

I figured it was something like that. Just like with weird import/export laws all over. So I was wondering why Cold Steel can't still make the Peace Keeper I or II in San Mai in Japan anymore? I thought it was because of this law, but I was skeptical, I figured it was just a business decision. But they haven't made them in Taiwan either as of yet. I have one perfect example of a "Peace Keeper I" made in Japan and it's a beauty. All my other I and II's are USA made I think. of either Carbon V or "Sub Zero Quench" German 4 something SS. Sorry can't remember the number off the top of my head.
 
The Cold Steel Kraton and Fallkniven Thermorun handles are the result of their respective order requirements. Hattori himself does not use synthetic handles on 99.9% ofl of his own branded knives, and uses various woods, micarta and stacked leather. These are all traditional well established handle/scale materials and in general are considered "nicer" than synthetics by many, including myself. I personally have examples of all types, and my US made CS SRK's handle is fine, having bought the knife in 1989/90.

There have been threads here on BF about synthetic handles and it all comes down to personal taste. Synthetic handles started appearing in the 1980s when new materials such as Kevlar and Valox started replacing the old steel, canvas and leather of military gear. Knives that have synthetic handles have passed military requirements around the world and have been in wide use for the last 30 years. So no, they certainly aren't "garbage".
Regardless CS with that garbage rubber handle isn't worth what they are going for even with the Hattori name behind it. The falk is marginally better with their contoured nylon, shape is great though. For the money those should have linen, canvas or carbon handles, they are not custom blades just hand finished. I find it funny that people buy this stuff at retail or more. I paid about half of retail for mine, would never pay more.
 
Were the G-10 versions made in Germany or Japan? I really like my G-10, but as I mentioned, am concerned about summer sweat. I've actually only carried mine once I think. Though I haven't had that issue, but I wasn't sweaty at the time I carried it. I like mine a lot, but I'm just thinking about the so called "upgrade". If it really is one. I did put my own up for sale just because I was thinking about the upgrade, and I never use it anyways most of the time. I'm usually lazy and just put a flip folder in my back pocket.
 
Regardless CS with that garbage rubber handle isn't worth what they are going for even with the Hattori name behind it. The falk is marginally better with their contoured nylon, shape is great though. For the money those should have linen, canvas or carbon handles, they are not custom blades just hand finished. I find it funny that people buy this stuff at retail or more. I paid about half of retail for mine, would never pay more.
Like I said, it's your personal choice. There are a gazillion knives out there that don't have synthetic handles. Best stick to those.
 
I figured it was something like that. Just like with weird import/export laws all over. So I was wondering why Cold Steel can't still make the Peace Keeper I or II in San Mai in Japan anymore? I thought it was because of this law, but I was skeptical, I figured it was just a business decision. But they haven't made them in Taiwan either as of yet. I have one perfect example of a "Peace Keeper I" made in Japan and it's a beauty. All my other I and II's are USA made I think. of either Carbon V or "Sub Zero Quench" German 4 something SS. Sorry can't remember the number off the top of my head.
The CS Peace Keeper I was made by the Kinryu factory in Seki. They continued with making the Aus8 and VG1 CS SRK amd Recon Tanto but the owner Mr Suzuki had health issues and closed the factory about the same time that CS started Taiwan production.
Hattori continued making the CS San Mai Taipan under special export permit until the contract ran out in 2015.
 
Darn, I wish they would have chose to continue to go ahead and make a Peace Keeper I and II in the Taiwan factory. Or found a place in the U.S. or Taiwan to make an O-1 version. Even a cheap SK-5 Peace Keeper II would be cool by most people I think. I find the Tai Pan a bit heavy. It's not an EDC knife, where the Peace Keeper, especially the II can be. The Tai Pan doesn't really fit a role for me, but I do keep knives like that in reserve.

Like I mentioned, I'm lazy, and I normally just put a flip folder in my back pocket anyways. I can upgrade when I'm not at work, but I generally don't.
 
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