False edge,s and swedge,s

[FOG2]

A lot of knifemaker,s (on another forum)say they grind the false edge b4 the real edge. Which do you grind 1st??....And...

When do you grind your swedge,s ?

Thanks,Bryce

 

[Roger999]

I prefer to start with the grind, then the swedge and I sharpen last.

 

[J-siah]

wow, I never thought of grinding those first. it definitely sounds easier to keep them even. I will have to try that.

I have been doing it last but doing it first sounds like a good idea.

-Josiah

 

[AcridSaint]

False grinds and top clips I grind first and take them up to a fairly high grit before switching to primary bevel. This is how I was taught to do it, it's easier to match at the tip. Swedges I do last.

 

[Mark Redmon]

Huh... that never even crossed my mind! I've only done a few, but I did those after the primary. One of my current projects is a swedged clip point, but I decided to use files on it. Interesting topic, I'll have to try it next time. :thumbup:

-Mark

 

[Nathan the Machinist]

False grinds and top clips I grind first and take them up to a fairly high grit before switching to primary bevel. This is how I was taught to do it, it's easier to match at the tip. Swedges I do last.

Okay, I'm going to show some wetness behind my ears...

Cap,
What is the difference between a false edge and a swedge? I have been using the terms interchangeably.

 

[kc custom]

Since it isn't specified as to whether on a folder or not, swedges are usually used on multi blade folders so the blades pass each other without rubbing during opening and closing of the knife. Everyone has pretty much taken it past that cause they look cool even on a single blade folder. For me its swedge, nail nick, cut my name, then sharpen.
Ken.

 

[Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith]

I always considered a swedge one sided ( to let the other blade past) and a false edge two sided (think bowie tip).

I agree with Ken that many folks use the terms interchangeably.

I guess the main difference is the purpose it is there for. If it there to allow the blade to pierce or cut better, then it is a false edge ( don't let the term false fool you. many are sharp). If it is there on a fixed blade for looks, I guess it doesn't matter what you call it.
Stacy

 

[AcridSaint]

Hi Nathan - like Stacy and Ken are talking about, I mean a slight bevel like you would find on a slip joint with more than one blade, but I don't necessarily mean it on just one side.

 

[Nathan the Machinist]

Okay, thanks. :thumbup:

I learned something today.

 

[ddavelarsen]

False grinds and top clips I grind first and take them up to a fairly high grit before switching to primary bevel. This is how I was taught to do it, it's easier to match at the tip. Swedges I do last.

That's how I do it too, and for the same reason. I'm still uncertain the proper definition of "swedge" though - for me it's always meant a one-sided false edge like on a Samuel Bell bowie. I've never made one of those.

 

[Bob Katilus]

Normally, I grind most of the primary bevel first, then grind the false edge second... then HT. I do this because when I hog off material, I usually use the rest. There has been a couple times where I have ground the false edge first, and then when I wasn't carful, the blank slipped in between the rest and the belt (much thinner at that point)... that chews up your work pretty quickly.

I don't use the rest after I heat treat the blank; I free float it on the belt because I have/ need much more control at that point.

 

[Fred.Rowe]

I grind a blade in layers of finish.

The ricasso is first to be finished. Layer One!

The tang ground to fit the ricasso. Layer two !

The distal taper ground to the ricasso. Layer Three

If you grind a blade in layers of finish; the false edge is ground before the bevels. Layer Four

The bevels go over the swedge; if you finish a blade by layers. Layer Five

The finished sharpened cutting edge is the last layer of finish. Layer Six

I used to work in a bakery, is, no doubt, the reason I do it this way.
Cake decorator.

Fred

 

[Fred.Rowe]

I tend to take the term today, the false edge, as it is commonly used to represent an opposed angle along the spine, such as used to lighten the blade forward or ground with the purpose of being sharpened.

A swedge is never ground to be sharpened; no matter what the angle of grind. Its purpose is fit.

A clip is in the profile of the blade.

If you go on a sword forum there usage is different than on this forum or others forums; it just depends on what language they are speaking.

Fred

 

[FOG2]

Thanks for the replies !

 

[sulsaMatt]

I'm with Nathan, I learned something on this thread too!

 

[Mark Redmon]

I grind a blade in layers of finish.

The ricasso is first to be finished. Layer One!

The tang ground to fit the ricasso. Layer two !

The distal taper ground to the ricasso. Layer Three

If you grind a blade in layers of finish; the false edge is ground before the bevels. Layer Four

The bevels go over the swedge; if you finish a blade by layers. Layer Five

The finished sharpened cutting edge is the last layer of finish. Layer Six

I used to work in a bakery, is, no doubt, the reason I do it this way.
Cake decorator.
Fred

Ha! Good one Fred!

 

[FOG2]

I do my swedge,s last and with pucker factor 10 ! after all the work leading up to it i get skeered of ruining the blade. That hasn,t happened yet, but i have had to ummmmmmmmmmmm make some design changes do to the swedge not coming out as i had envisioned it.