farrior files

Joined
Feb 22, 2008
Messages
4
I work on a ranch here in MT and we have about 190 horses! The nice thing is there are a ton of old rasps layin around waiting to be thrown away, or made into a knife!! I'm really new to this whole thing adn i honestly have no idea on how to grind ond down/shape it into a finished knife.... I have pinning rod and antler that i have left over from my last project so thats taken care of i just never thought about using a rasp until i saw a few threads today. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. If there is anybody in the Missoula, MT area that would be willing to show me a few things it would also be greatly appreciated. I might have a few extras layin around.
Thanks

Tony
 
Jerome Weinand is in Missoula..about 2- 3 miles out. Check the phonebook an give him a call. He is getting up in years but makes beautiful stainless damascus and is normally very willing to give a little help. I think he is head of the Montana knifemakers or some such.
 
Farriers rasps usually won't make good knives, as most are case hardened . They can be used to make hawks, with a steel bit inserted.
Stacy
 
Hey I used to live south of Missoula. A couple of my brothers still do. Florence area. My onebrother did some smithing and got me going in this direction, but, now makes musical instruments. He knows some locals into metal work and knives. Give me a pm or email and I will try to hook you up. Email @ ib2v4u@hotmil.com is best
 
I keep the farrier's files for shaping of hot steel, they move steel fastest when it's hot and you can get QUITE a bit of shaping done hot filing.
 
http://www.anvilfire.com/iForge/

#21 shows how to make a snake from a rasp, these are pretty popular.

do quench test on em for carbon content but most are case hardened


Rasping_snake.jpg
 
i was looking into doing the "found steel" thing when i went to get started and even though there are plenty of tutorials and info on doing it on line a lot of that stuff was written originally a while ago when some files and spring steels from cars and the like were more consistent carbon steels. i basically was told "in the long run dropping the 20-40 bucks on a nice piece of stock will be more cost and time efficient" you can get some simple steels for very cheap now and spending 30 bucks will get you enough steel to make enough knives to keep you busy for a while starting out (i still have a big chunk of the stock i bought and i have like 5 knives in the works, mostly smaller but i had a lot of waste and scrap) so i would suggest just buying some known steel and make life easier and take out some guess work... youll have enough to guess about to start with

-matt
 
raspls snakes, hawks and stuff don't have near the charm when made outa new stuff.

Recycle, keep the steel in america :D
 
A while back I Emailed Copper tools, maker of Nicholson files and ask them about the metal in there files. They were nice enough to call me back, and I had quite a nice chat with the manager of customer services. I explained to him that I was a blacksmith and I worked with young people with Little money. We like to recycle old metal in to useful items. Has nothing to do with what is best or the best steel It has to do with the Independence of being able to make good with Little.

The representative from Copper tool, told me that "while the exact composition of there steel is priority, If I treated there regular files like W-1 and there farrier rasps like 1095 I should have good results"
 
Lots of thing you can do with rasps.I use lots of them,any way i can help let me know.
 

Attachments

  • IMG_9293.JPG
    IMG_9293.JPG
    24.6 KB · Views: 43
That spur is awesome!! I would love to do something like that bt i dont have the equipment im sure. I saw a knife made of an old rasp and thought that i could try to do something like that with one of the old ones we have laying around. I was just wondering how to shape it. Would you just use a grinder with a bunch of different grits? Im super new to any of this and dont know anything really but i am very interested and enjoy it a lot. Any info would be great.
Thanks
 
well if you do use an old file you need to start by annealing it (red hot then let it cool as slow as you can) after that take a good file and lightly drag it across, if it catches and grabs at the metal it should be soft enough to use (you can also take a piece of a file that is the same and also check to see if you can harden it- red hot, quench in oil make sure to pre heat the oil with a piece of scrap when you harden your real blade) same file test but opposite results means it is hardened (to hard but thats not very important at this point since you havent even started to make the knife)

ya grinder, bench sander, etc etc. i use a 36x4 in bench sander with a 6 or 7 inch disk on the side. decent piece of equipment, for the initial shaping you can use a saw (some use a drill press to put an out line of holes then cut between them, thats more for those that really like exact patterns), some use an angle grinder to get a very rough shape (like me) then sand/grind it to shape.

form a lot of people they start at a rough rough grit (i start at 36 some go lower but at that point is mostly what ever your sander can get for it) then move to 80 -120-240ish-400ish, you dont want to go much past 400 before ht because you will have to redo work. get it shaped all the way, finnished to 400 grit and make sure to leave the blade off (size varies but some like .04 in left on the edge some like .02 etc etc, its harder to remove metal after the HT but its impossible to put it back and if it is to thin your blade will get messed up)

a lot of this is going to be trial and error once you understand the very very basics which it seems like you do for the most part or if not are very close, once you get some tips of how people do it them selves the new game starts.

good luck
-matt
 
Thanks for the compliments.Not much more I can add to matt except you can get along ways towards a finished product with tools you have around the ranch.When working with rasps an angle grinder is my best friend.
 
Cunningham
Really nice spur, I might have to try that for my next set. Been using hot rolled bar stock but thats boring, have to try and steal a couple old rasps off the fairrier next time he's out :cool:
 
Back
Top