Fascist Curtain drops over Australia

Steely_Gunz said:
Agreed Esav. Nice to see you drop by the Cantina again:) Another thing to remember about the name of the DOHS is that it was pretty much created in response to an attack unlike any we have seen on American soil in a long time. Its creation date is Oct. 8, 2001, long before we knew what kind of Pres Bush would be. I think "Homeland Security" is supposed to sound patriotic. It's supposed to rally the masses to the cause. Policy good, bad, or indifferent is a moot point. It doesn't change the fact that "Homeland Security" was named in response to an attack to surge American pride and protection. The only way to attach this to jackboot politics would be to believe that Bush planned and carried out 9/11 with the Saudis, etc etc etc. I don't think anyone here has that kind of crackpot thinking. I think it is fair to disagree all you want with the way DOHS has been handled and what falls under it, but the name is 5 years old.

Presidents come and go. That's the great thing about the democratic system. All of the stuff that Bush has set in motion can be changed if the other side of the aisle could get someone into office and change the policy to what the American public wants. RIght now, it appears that Americans, as a whole, want a more right leaning society. In a few years, all of this can be changed if America as a whole decides that a more leftist view would fit the country a little better. Myself, I would like to see a central Prez. elected.

However, with all the political mudslinging and nose thumbing I'm sick to damn death of politics. The republicans want to feed me stuff and tell me it's good for me like abortions and gay marriage are bad. Might be, but I don't care. Just keep the planes from crashin' on my head..K? The Dems want to throw paper airplanes and shoot spitwads for 8 years instead of trying to find a common ground with the current admin. In the next election I'm voting for Pedro and going home to practice my "numchuk" skills:D

Jake
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Here Here Jake! Great post!:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
AA, do a search and you will see that they have already been stripped of almost all of their gun ownership rights. Next will be the attempted banning of pointy kitchen knives ala England.

Despite these laws, and probably because of them, violent crime in these countries is rising at unprecedented rates.
 
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. How is the concept that violence is in the heart and hand of the criminal, not in his weapon. A poor craftsman blames his tools, right;)? Like I said before, i think i would rather be slashed at with a UC crap sword than a heavy dull wooden sword like a cricket bat. At least I know the UC sword have a 60% of breaking if the guy hits anything but me with it:D

Jake
 
Steve Poll said:
Would this have happened in Austrailia if the majority of it's citizens didn't want it?
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Good question. Clinton himself said that he felt that making rural democrats vote for his gun control initiatives was what lost them control of congress and I'm inclined to agree.

Gun owners are one of the most well organized totally grassroots groups of voters in the US.

Look at all the states that allow concealed now. The AWB didn't get renewed. The voters in this country have spoken!

Even in the democratic party people are taking the party back from the gun control set:

http://www.geocities.com/guntotingliberals/

http://www.a2dems.net/

Even the DU has a place for gun right supporters to duke it out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=118
 
hollowdweller said:
Good question. Clinton himself said that he felt that making rural democrats vote for his gun control initiatives was what lost them control of congress and I'm inclined to agree.

Gun owners are one of the most well organized totally grassroots groups of voters in the US.

Look at all the states that allow concealed now. The AWB didn't get renewed. The voters in this country have spoken!

Even in the democratic party people are taking the party back from the gun control set:
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Right on HD! I remained a Democrate despite the gun control issue because I'm not a one issue voter. But, hopefully, more rational heads will prevail in the future. My own state of New Mexico recently passed "shall issue" legislation and I now carry legally as I see fit. Now that's freedom!:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
We have to be careful with this concept we call "democracy". Maybe we should change the spelling to "democrazy" instead. It is never the same idea in any two or more situations.

Originally it referred to the legitimacy of a government deriving from the consent of the people of the city-states of ancient Greece. This had nothing to do with the institutions of the state or the people in high office. If the demos, the people, were OK with the way their society was run, it was a democracy.

In Greece proper, that meant it could be quite aristocratic. In the Greek cities of Asia Minor under Persian rule, paradoxically, there was more room for popular franchise and responsive representation.

The next step was to have the demos select their leaders. Once selected, the leaders became temporary kings, with few limits on their power. But now other leaders could be selected in their place.

Today we have people who feel that "true" democracy will only be achieved when everyone gets to vote on everything. Government by constant poll and referendum. Sounds great until you ask who draws up the polls and interprets the results. And since when is uninformed opinion the best way to decide policy?

All this is to ask another question: when a democracy votes in a government, and that government promulgates questionable policies, did the electorate approve those policies in advance, or was it just something they got along with the qualities they did hope for?

Australians have seen their right to self-defense and the implements thereof whittled away in recent years. I don't believe it has so much to with their penal colony origins as it does to increased crowding -- Australia is a very urbanized nation. And it also reflects the disruption of a formerly uniform society by a flood of diverse immigrant groups.

In all of this, there is good and bad. But without the almost uncontradicted leftist media assault on personal rights, none of those politicans would bother imposing these restrictions.
 
After 9/11 many of us wanted to know that our government was organized or would reorganize to tighten up security. George Bush came into office determined to be a domestic-issues President. Boy, did he get a wake-up call.

But it was the Democrats in Congress who insisted on reorganizing Federal agencies into a Dep't of Homeland Securtity, and the President resisted the idea at first. He is still resisting the idea of locking the world out, believing -- as I do -- that America's mission to bring our values to the world requires openness, and this opennness works both ways.

But as they say, an open mind is great, but not so open that the wind whistles through.
 
Danny,

Is thus what you friend was talking about?

International Mailing of Firearms, Firearms Parts and Weapons Prohibited
http://www.auspost.com.au/BCP/0,1080,CH4298%7EMO19,00.html

“Although some countries do accept the delivery of firearms and weapons through the mail, it is often necessary for these items (en route) to pass through the postal service of countries where these items are prohibited and must be confiscated by customs and reported to police or other authorities. This has increasingly caused serious delays to entire despatches of mail,” said Pollard.

This & the following paragraphs seem to say that AUS is playing "Big Brother" on the mail of other countries that passes through it. This reduces things able to be shipped to the lowest common denominator. Under this scenario, the most repressive countries will control what can be sent via international mail.

Realistically, this may mean a boon for the independent carriers such as DHL, FedEx, UPS, etc. I suspect that such goods could be (trans)shipped that way, unless the AUS government decides to step in there.

This piece of legislation may be involved, as well:

NORTHERN TERRITORY OF AUSTRALIA. WEAPONS CONTROL ACT
notes.nt.gov.au/dcm/legislat/legislat.nsf/ 0/6e956c973af4a870692571070080db5c/$FILE/Repw021.pdf

The point system for weapons here makes the US point system for sidearms look like kindergarden math. Is this what happens when bureaucrats become bored?

John
 
Civil Disobedience seems like a good option here. Label the packages as "gardening supplies" or "Camp Tool" like most oppressed European countries and Canada already do. Unless they Xray or open all the packages, then what can they do?

Only in W&C would I be able to express my feelings about that gov't.

Suffice it to say, if at any time my gov't decides to make unconstitutional, or just plain stupid laws restricting my guns or knives, then I will become a criminal. Oh well- I would rather fight to my last breath than give up freedom- I am not the only one who feels this way. I would sooner live as a fugitive in the wilderness :mad:
 
I dont know what law exactly. All I know is, he had to refund money to his customers because he cannot ship their knives to them.
 
I note that all the replies to date have been from countries other than Australia.

Now reading on, the original post is no longer correct. Statement from Australia Post is as follows:

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EXCLUSIONS FROM THE DEFINITION OF “ITEMS OF WEAPONRY”
Australia Post will continue to carry items such as knives, daggers, swords, and axes,
which have a valid import or export permit where required and are legally permissible
to carry into Australia (if inbound) or into the country of destination (if outbound).
PLEASE NOTE: Australian Customs regulations prohibit or restrict many of these
items. It is the responsibility of customers importing or exporting these items to make
their own enquiries to ensure the goods are acceptable, and to obtain any relevant
permits.
Information regarding Customs regulations on knives, firearms and warfare items can
be found at 1300 363 263, information@customs.gov.au or www.customs.gov.au.
OTHER CARRIERS
Private carriers may accept these items. Australia Post is unable to recommend which
carriers may/may not carry firearms/weaponry to international destinations.
ARTICLES CURRENTLY IN TRANSIT
Articles that may have already been sent from an international destination to Australia
will be assessed on a case-by-case basis until the end of January 2006. A longer
discretionary period will apply to articles sent by sea mail.
With regard to air-conveyed mail, from 1 February any firearms or items of weaponry
detected from an international destination will be returned to sender. With regard to
sea-conveyed mail, from 1 April any firearms or items of weaponry detected from an
international destination will be returned to sender.
DOMESTIC CARRIAGE
The domestic carriage of firearms and weaponry conditions remains unchanged.
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The knives ban only lasted a mere number of hours before it was revoked.

Relax, the curtain has been lifted.
 
There are restrictions on import and export of knives. I couldn't read them (postage stamp size) perhaps need to update acrobat reader.
Thanks for the link, inspira




munk
 
Steely, the English also want to ban baseball bats. They say that they are the "weapon of choice now". Honest.

Rat, please remove the picture of my wife from your avitar. JK.

Stevo
 
G'day Danny,
What State is your friend from?
I live in New South Wales and was lucky enough to win 3rd prize in Steve Ferguson"s raffle. fortunately I have received it !!!safe and sound.
I have not yet heard about new knife legislation but our state and federal Govts are pretty sneaky. I have been also wondered why the media has recently been reporting the number of knife stabbings each time there is an occurrence. Obviously , to me now, an agenda "in play".
Lucky I purchased a number of kukris folders 7 other items in the past 4 months..........maybe a "last Chance"
Will post more info as and if I hear.
Joe.....[SmokingJoe on Tora }
 
inspira said:
I note that all the replies to date have been from countries other than Australia.

Now reading on, the original post is no longer correct. Statement from Australia Post is as follows:

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EXCLUSIONS FROM THE DEFINITION OF “ITEMS OF WEAPONRY”
Australia Post will continue to carry items such as knives, daggers, swords, and axes,
which have a valid import or export permit where required and are legally permissible
to carry into Australia (if inbound) or into the country of destination (if outbound).
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The knives ban only lasted a mere number of hours before it was revoked.

Relax, the curtain has been lifted.
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This looks legitimate. Sure hope so. Even if the original law has been revoked it probably rattled the hell out of exporters who saw their livelihood threatened. My exporter from Valiant, Suwandi, was already dealing with some personal difficulties (see my post on "Smoke Needed in Western Australia") and the new weapons ban law would have threatened his business as well. What a shock. Hope he is recovering and will be shipping again soon.:) :thumbup:
 
bwray said:
This looks legitimate. Sure hope so. Even if the original law has been revoked it probably rattled the hell out of exporters who saw their livelihood threatened. My exporter from Valiant, Suwandi, was already dealing with some personal difficulties (see my post on "Smoke Needed in Western Australia") and the new weapons ban law would have threatened his business as well. What a shock. Hope he is recovering and will be shipping again soon.:) :thumbup:
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Still thinking of my 1st damascus....................
 
stevomiller said:
Steely, the English also want to ban baseball bats. They say that they are the "weapon of choice now". Honest.

Rat, please remove the picture of my wife from your avitar. JK.

Stevo
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of course they do, they want our criminals here to use cricket bats instead of foreign imports....

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