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Father Knows Best
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Sylvrfalcn said:
I'm not arguing with you about the staying involved part, etc. but the fact is that if you use a belt or switch on a kid in my County you will be talking to a Judge if this behavior is observed, and love will be no defense. I put my boy in a parochial school in part because of the reputations of such places - but then learned that ruler-wielding nuns are a thing of the past due to legalities.
Fortunately my scion responds well to the "death stare," the need for hand-to-butt combat is very rare and I am seeing no pathological tendencies. He is supervised by his stay-home Mom during the day and by me at all other times.
The question still remains: What is turning our kids into stone killers? Alot of the kids I grew up with had lousy, drunk, neglectant folks but they never gunned anybody down. I don't know the answer but I'm trying to figure it out because my boy is getting to Columbine age faster than I would like.
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My wife and I believe in spanking.
I put my daughter on the 1 3 5 plan. She gets one swat the first time, then 3, then 5. We've never gotten to five, and rarely to three. In fact only the first couple of times did we get to three. Its been a long time now since we've gotten to one. She knows. I hold up one finger and she straightens like an arrow. After one I can hold up three and shes REALLY serious. This almost never happens anymore. She'll be 4 next month, so I'm no expert, and there are tons of rough seas ahead. But for now this works for us.
I'd move if some asshole judge told me how I can and can't discipline my kids. More and more I think Georgia is the best damn state in the union. We got property rights, we're tough on immigration, we're allowed to use force to defend ourselves, and our gun rights are secure. Not to mention the spanking thing. Imagine it.... the south, having their junk together. LOL.
I put my daughter on the 1 3 5 plan. She gets one swat the first time, then 3, then 5. We've never gotten to five, and rarely to three. In fact only the first couple of times did we get to three. Its been a long time now since we've gotten to one. She knows. I hold up one finger and she straightens like an arrow. After one I can hold up three and shes REALLY serious. This almost never happens anymore. She'll be 4 next month, so I'm no expert, and there are tons of rough seas ahead. But for now this works for us.
I'd move if some asshole judge told me how I can and can't discipline my kids. More and more I think Georgia is the best damn state in the union. We got property rights, we're tough on immigration, we're allowed to use force to defend ourselves, and our gun rights are secure. Not to mention the spanking thing. Imagine it.... the south, having their junk together. LOL.
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"Alot of the kids I grew up with had lousy, drunk, neglectant folks but they never gunned anybody down."
Yes, but most kids back then had decent parents and a fairly stable home life. That's no longer the case. The strength of any society is rooted in the strength of the family. Kill off the roots, the tree becomes diseased, and eventually dies.
I physically wince at Billary and her "It takes a village" crap. Yeah, when you've got a village full of bastards and societal orphans, I guess you do gotta delegate out the responsibility for raising them to others. They wouldn't be bastards and societal orphans if their parents took any individual responsibility themselves. Still, if the "village" is populated by the same irresponsible, self gratifying, kind of people that produce offspring just to throw them to the wolves, how's that whole "it takes a village" thing supposed to work?
Sorry, sore subject with me, think I'll go grind a knife now.
Sarge
Yes, but most kids back then had decent parents and a fairly stable home life. That's no longer the case. The strength of any society is rooted in the strength of the family. Kill off the roots, the tree becomes diseased, and eventually dies.
I physically wince at Billary and her "It takes a village" crap. Yeah, when you've got a village full of bastards and societal orphans, I guess you do gotta delegate out the responsibility for raising them to others. They wouldn't be bastards and societal orphans if their parents took any individual responsibility themselves. Still, if the "village" is populated by the same irresponsible, self gratifying, kind of people that produce offspring just to throw them to the wolves, how's that whole "it takes a village" thing supposed to work?
Sorry, sore subject with me, think I'll go grind a knife now.
Sarge
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what is turning our kids into killers?
It's an interesting question, but I suspect that we, as humans, are natural killers.
A better question might be: How in the past were we better able to dampen those natural instincts?
Another one might be: Did we really? or was it just not as well reported in the land before TV and the internet ?
Take West Side story for example - kids killing each other with knives, doing the gang thing, in the fifties....Sure its a musical, but they drew elements from somewhere...
It's an interesting question, but I suspect that we, as humans, are natural killers.
A better question might be: How in the past were we better able to dampen those natural instincts?
Another one might be: Did we really? or was it just not as well reported in the land before TV and the internet ?
Take West Side story for example - kids killing each other with knives, doing the gang thing, in the fifties....Sure its a musical, but they drew elements from somewhere...
DannyinJapan said:
A guy named Dave Grossman (Lt. Col - Rangers) has written some stuff on this topic and while he may not have the answer, his perspective is interesting. According to him, we are not natural killers of our own species (snakes will bite anything except another snake, etc. etc.) and must be either severely prompted or conditioned to do so.
The big problem is these juveniles who shoot up schools are demonstrating firing rates and hit ratios that far exceed what is expected of police and military trainees. In many cases the kids have never fired guns before but they have played violence-oriented video games constantly and conditioned themselves to rack up score in the context of violence. The army is currently using video training which is very similar.
So, it could be we are not so much failing to dampen a natural instinct, but succeeding to do so.
I don't know how much truth there is to this, but just to be safe I have put my boy in a school which hammers him with religious teaching from the time he is buzzed through the front security door until the time he leaves. The worst case scenario will be that he turns out more religious than I am and starts preaching, etc. but I can live with that.
Lack of religious background and lack of any moral or ethical training. But many lefties think I am pretty much looney. Don't believe it! Belief and appreciation for the Spiritual essence of our nature is crucial to our well being.... when that is lacking, it seems like their will be no repercussions and no consequence for your bad actions. I have raised a few kids over the years and that lack of moral character leaves a lot to be desired in those that tend to go the wrong way. Those same kids can't seem to grasp that their actions result in the determination of their own futures. These types of kids blame everybody but themselves.DannyinJapan said:
iBear
"Alot of the kids I grew up with had lousy, drunk, neglectant folks but they never gunned anybody down."Sylvrfalcn said:"Alot of the kids I grew up with had lousy, drunk, neglectant folks but they never gunned anybody down."
Yes, but most kids back then had decent parents and a fairly stable home life. That's no longer the case. The strength of any society is rooted in the strength of the family. Kill off the roots, the tree becomes diseased, and eventually dies.
I physically wince at Billary and her "It takes a village" crap. Yeah, when you've got a village full of bastards and societal orphans, I guess you do gotta delegate out the responsibility for raising them to others. They wouldn't be bastards and societal orphans if their parents took any individual responsibility themselves. Still, if the "village" is populated by the same irresponsible, self gratifying, kind of people that produce offspring just to throw them to the wolves, how's that whole "it takes a village" thing supposed to work?
Sorry, sore subject with me, think I'll go grind a knife now.
Sarge
Yes, but most kids back then had decent parents and a fairly stable home life. That's no longer the case. The strength of any society is rooted in the strength of the family. Kill off the roots, the tree becomes diseased, and eventually dies. - Sarge
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That is "spot on" an excellent point with considerable merit. You are exciting my good feelings and definitiely hitting the nail on the head.
Good point!
iBear
I raised seven kids and took care to include two others in my immediate family. Truthfully their is no easy one answer, but, recognition, in some manner, by each individual of the Spiritual nature of man is one very important factor that must be embraced and adopted as part of the lifestyle of the individual..... this is really crucial. The second point is making sure that the individual understands that every action has an opposite reaction and that actions have real consequences with repercussions and heart wrenching results.... that always must be endured. A large part of that issue comes down to understanding responsibility, morals and ethics. This could be expanded on to include many hours of study, library research and many hours with the dictionary. Most children consider all that a waste of time so what do they do instead? They copy their classmates or their role models.cliff355 said:
By surrounding your child with decent kids it gives him a leg up on the rest.
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I never had to resort to physical discipline with my daughter and stopped my ex from it . My daughter always knew that no matter what if she needed to be straightened out on a subject that the option was there . I told her if there was no other way to stop a greater harm befalling her then no policeman or judge would stop me . Even with the respect for the law I have it is not a hard call to make . Family comes first .
Well I love him for saying this:
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent."
Concerning the rest, anybody's faith is his own personal bussiness.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent."
Concerning the rest, anybody's faith is his own personal bussiness.