Father's Day Present/Single Malt Scotch Help please.

Nimick,
sorry I didn't notice this thread before now. I am one of those guys who doesn't believe that he collects, until he counts the object--at last count I had over 120 bottles of unopened malts, and always 9 opened. Pretty high turnover. I would say that, first of all:

Depending on where you live, you can save a lot of money by buying malt bottled by independent bottlers, rather than the original distillery. Some of these can even be better thna the original distiller bottlings. This si espeically true of brands like Macallan, which spend so much money on advertising that their prices are high relative to what they deliver. If you live in a city with a liquor store with a large selection, they should have some of these. Otherwise, depending on your state, some of the large liquor stores will ship to you, and you will certainly pay less that way than if you buy locally.

Also keep in mind that a number of malts are matured in sherry or refill sherry casks, and may not say so on the label. This includes many Islay malts such as Laphroaig (not all of them). Macallan malts (except the Fine Oak series) are also usually matured in sherrry or refill sherry casks.

Perhaps the best "bang for the buck" is the 12 year old Dalmore, from the northern Highlands. You should be able to pick that up for under $25, and if you are lucky, under $20.

If you do decide that you like the Islay malts, the levels of "peatiness" range from Ardbeg (most) to Bruichladdich (least, on average).

For other, milder malts like Glenkichnie, you could try Glengoyne.

For something really unique, you could try Springbank. This is the only Campbelltown distillery in current production, and quite uniqe. Unfortunately, since they know that they have a monopoly, their prices are high.
 
Arrrgh! Shaldag, you stole my thunder! I was reading this thread and was thinking, what this guy needs is a nice Springbank! I've tried a bunch and continue to, but when I really want something special, I come back to Springbank. Tis the best in my book. I only wish I still had some of that bottle of 21 year old Springbank my wife bought me a couple years ago, but it was too good to last.

Not only is Springbank the only remaining Campbelltown distillery, they are also one of the only small distillerys to own their own bottling company, known as Cadenheads. Via Cadenhead's, they market malts from a variety of other distillerys and all the one's I've seen have been Cask Strength. Very cool stuff.

If you're looking for deal on SMS and have a Trader Joe's nearby, certainly look there. They have been experimenting with doing private label bottlings of some very good scotches for VERY reasonable prices.

If you're really nuts about the stuff, look here:

http://www.wineandliquordepot.com/

I'm lucky enough to have this place about a mile from my office. They have the largest scotch collection for sale in the entire world! The only larger collection is the Britich Royal collection, and it's not for sale. The BBC even did a special on this place. Not only do they have an unbelievable assortment, but their prices are very fair, usually under the competition on similar scotches by around 20%.

Presently there's only four bottles of malt in the house:

12 year old MacAllan (gift from neighbor)

15 year old Dalwhinnie

13 year old 1991 vintage Rosebank bottled by Signatory

21 blended malt with the name Campbeltown Loch on the label. It's a 21 year old blended scotch by Springbank! I haven't opened this one yet, but it's supposed to be quite special and was the deal of the year from Wine and Liquor Depot at around $70.00 when I bought it a couple months ago. 21 year old Springbank single malt seems to be around $300.00 or more if you can find it!

I'd take a 10 year old Springbank over most other 12- 18 year old malts.
 
Andrew Taylor said:
I am hoping the Caol Ila 18 year old isn't as iodine mouthwash as the 12 year old I tried.

I really like the 18 year old Caol Ila. I think it stands up very nicely with Lagavulin and the 15 year old Laphroaig. Not in the same class as an older Ardbeg or Port Ellen, but you will be paying many times more for those. On the other hand, in its price range, I like the 12 year old Caol Ila as well (had a bottle last night) so our tastes may vary.

Jack
 
Of course, Port Ellen is shut down. They do still come out with a distillery bottling about once a yaear, but as far as I know, these are not available in the US. And whisky in Britain costs about double the US price.

The new Caol Ilas are not bad. Yes, they both have more than a touch of iodine (the 12 more thnan the 18)--and that is a specific taste, as is the peat.

Ardbeg, now there is a problem. They have basically stopped selling their better distillery-bottled stuff, at least in the US. It is quited difficult to get the 17-year at acceptable prices, and the 1977 has all but disappeared. They have started marketing this stuff called Uigideal (I know I have the spelling wrong). I did try a bottle, and was not impressed. Sure, I drank it, but wouldn't spring for another bottle. On the other hand, one of the great independent bottlers (Gordon & MacPhail) has just released a 25 year old Ardbeg under their Spirit of Scotland label. This is amazingly expensive stuff (think Chris Reeve) but is one of the best whiskies I have ever tasted. It beats 30-year old Laphroaid distillery bottlings, and that is saying a lot.

Anyone who wants to try something new and distinctive should really try some of the new Bruichladdich distillery offerrings. They have a number of very good and unusual drams, from non-peated to super-peated. By the way, the distiller, Jim McEwan, insists that everything done there is by Islay people--from soup to nuts. They also have the highest rate of employment for handicapped folks on the island.
 
Mister MacDonald,
It really sounds to me like you are overpaying for your Springbank 21--if you wish, I can check prices here.

Ah, Cadenheads, one of the best independent bottlers. I visited Scotland fo a cnoference about 2 years ago and was amazed at the price people ther have to pay for whisky. Clearly, one does not buy nmalt whisky in Scotland unless it is something completely unavailable in the US. Cadenheads maintains a number of storfronts, and I just walked in there and saw things that you could only dream existed--from closed distilleries........Once the proprietor saw that I was serious about buying something, I did get my share of free samples......:D
 
I have a bottle of independantly bottled Ardbeg (21yr old I think, but its in the bottom of the cabinet and I am on the computer), and I love the fairly peaty malts ie Talisker and laugavulin, but the Ardbeg is just too much for me.
 
Shaldag, I might well be mistaken on the current price of the 21 y/o Springbank. I know the bottle my wife purchased for me wasn't in the range I mentioned above, but I also know the stuff hasn't gotten much cheaaper of late. I could easily be confused as when I get to W&L Depot, I get a bit woozy just looking at all the stuff. Overstimulated, kind of like being at a knife show. Their Cadenhead's section is probably near ten feet long and probably six shelves high. Like say, many things you can only dream of. They've got a good selection of Gordon McPhail, Signatory and Murray McDavid private bottlings as well. I think at last count they had something like 700 different malts ranging from ridimentary to sublime. I'm guessing from your sig line that you're somewhere between Cape Cod and Maine. If you ever get to the Los Angeles area, make sure to drop me a line and I'll see you get to visit this malt heaven. Sounds like you'd like it and probably enjoy conversing with the proprietor, although it might be hard on your wallet :).
 
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maximus otter
 
Mr. MacDonald, one thing is for sure, that Springbank ain't cheap.

I have heard of W&L, but never been there. Where is it located?


I go to 2 stores here, one in Boston, one in Rhode Island. Each of them have about 300 malts. The good thing about the Boston one is that it is in downtown Boston, and the manager always has an open bottle or 10 for a dram anytime I pass by. Believe me, that counts for a lot.:D
 
Ok Maximus, rub it in.

just remember one thing:
it's cheaper here.:D
Why you guys don't rise up in revolt is beyond me.
 
The Balvenie was a rock solid winner. Thanks again guys. (my old man in really bad at pretending he likes something)
 
shaldag said:
Mr. MacDonald, one thing is for sure, that Springbank ain't cheap.

I have heard of W&L, but never been there. Where is it located?

W&L Depot is in Van Nuys, CA. Did I mention it's only about a mile from my office :p
 
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