Favorite All-Round Rifle Caliber

Guys............right upfront.....my hands are up in the air! (Fly hunting over here!).

That said, the .375 Holland and Holland Magnum has the same mean point of impact at:

100YDS

200YDS

and

300YDS

Nuff said???????...................

At the very least that's one FLAT trajectory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OR am I wrong? (Bear in mind it's a 500 grain slug travelling at " fer f**ks sake feet per second!".

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....................?
 
Also forgot to reply (6+ tinnies) that this calibre is classed as a "ballistic phenomenon!"
 
and as i said before i shudder to think of what a .375 H&H is gonna do to a hill country whitetail, of all the big magnums the one which makes the most sense to me for hunting in the lower 48 is the .300 H&H, anything bigger/faster is just not needed imho, not in the lower 48 anyway.

i occasionally use a 7MM rem mag for whitetail and its really too much gun, i honestly think the .30-'06 and .308 would do just as well with a helluva lot less weight and recoil, not to mention muzzle blast, a .25-'06 or .243 would do just as well also.
 
zpaulg said:
Guys............right upfront.....my hands are up in the air! (Fly hunting over here!).

That said, the .375 Holland and Holland Magnum has the same mean point of impact at:

100YDS

200YDS

and

300YDS

Nuff said???????...................

At the very least that's one FLAT trajectory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OR am I wrong? (Bear in mind it's a 500 grain slug travelling at " fer f**ks sake feet per second!".

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....................?
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Not sure where you got the info, but I don't think there is a 500gr 375H&H loading. I can't think of anything that has the same trajectory at 100, 200 and 300yds either. Even a 40gr .223 smoking out of the tube at 4500fps still has roughly 5.5inches of drop @ 300 with a 100yd zero.;) :thumbup:
 
7mm-08. 120 grain Nosler Balistic Tip for small deer. 140 grain Nosler Accutip for things a little bigger.
 
More game has been killed with either a 30-30, .303, or 30-06, than any other caliber in North America! I have a .280 Rem. and love it! Have killed many moose deer, bear with no problem1 Just bought a Marlin in 45-70, and look forward tousing it this fall!!
 
zpaulg said:
...the .375 Holland and Holland Magnum has the same mean point of impact at:

100YDS

200YDS

and

300YDS

Nuff said?

At the very least that's one FLAT trajectory!

OR am I wrong? (Bear in mind it's a 500 grain slug...)
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(Edited to remove numerous redundant punctuation marks).

Yes, you are wrong.

1. As far as I'm aware, bullets for the .375 H & H top out at about 300 grains.

2. It is a physical impossibility for a bullet to have the same point of impact at 100, 200 and 300 yards.

maximus otter
 
I think everybody here probably knows that a .30-06 and a .308 both fire bullets of .308" diameter, but the .308 uses a case that's about a half inch shorter than that of the .30-06. It was designed to function better through semi- and full-auto weapons for the US military where it is known as the 7.62 x 51 mm NATO, 7.62 mm being the same diameter as a .30 caliber.

The old 6.5 x 55 mm Swedish cartridge, which I am a real fan of, fires bullets of .264" diameter, as does the much newer .260 cartridge. The .260 uses a case a half inch shorter, though, and operates at higher pressure.

The old 7 x 57 mm (7 mm Mauser), another excellent round, fires bullets of .284 caliber, as does the much newer 7mm-08, but from a shorter case and at higher pressure.

Both the .260 and the 7mm-08 are based on the .308 case, and both are very good cartridges, but I fail to see any advantage in using these and other short cases in bolt action rifles. The difference in bolt "throw" is only about half an inch! The newest "super short" cartridges leave me even more unimpressed, and I predict most won't last ten years on the market. Why would I want a rifle firing some new short and fat cartridge that holds fewer rounds in its magazine and is much harder to find ammunition for?

The good old .303 British Enfields fire bullets about .311" or .312" diameter from an old style rimmed case, but they get the job done, too, especially up in Canada where these rifles are still commonly used I understand.

And the old 8 x 57 mm (8 mm Mauser) is another good all around cartridge that uses bullets of about .323" diameter from a case that is similar to that of our .30-06. Old, inexpensive, surplus rifles for the 8 mm Mauser are commonly available now, and have been for a long time, unlike rifles for the 7 mm Mauser round.

The poor man's rifle bargain of the decade must be all these Russian bolt action Moisin-Nagants (sp.?) that are sold for about $75 to $100 by the dozens at all the gun shows now. They fire an old rimmed .30 caliber round called the 7.62 x 54 mm I believe, and if you can find proper hunting ammo for them (or load your own) these should also be effective hunting rifles.

Just a little more for you all to mull over... :yawn:
 
marcangel said:
.300 Weatherby Magnum
I shoot 1/4" groups of 3 at 200 yards.
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In the quiet words of the virgin Mary.... Come again?

1/4 " at 100 yards - maybe. Now at 200 yards? Wow.... I should trade in my Accuracy International .308 / Schmidt and Bender combo.

I think the 30 - 06 is a great all round bullet.
 
Dr. Mudd said:
Drawing the line just short of the big bears and big moose, I think the old tried and true 6.5 x 55 Swede is a superb all around cartridge. With a careful shot, it would do in the bears and moose, too. Very versatile, accurate, and lethal, and it doesn't beat the shooter around. But if you want to really say "all around" for use in North America, then the .30-06 should get the nod. A friend of mine visited Alaska several years ago. He hung around with some of the locals and told me most of them were packing .30-06 bolt actions for their daily do-everything rifles. I guess with a 220 grain slug it would do at least reasonably well on big bears, and I think somebody loads (or did load) a 250 grain for it. You need extreme penetration on huge animals that can eat you! :eek:
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Moose are no problem for the 6.5 Swedish.

Good CRAP listen to you guys. i GUESS a 220 grain slug from a modern 30-06 load might maybee be enough for big bears.

Bears were the same size 150 years ago. They didnt have much problem taking everything on the North American continent with black powder 30-30 loads.

But this was back in the days when a 32-20 would take a whietail deer. Now days we all know big game had become imune to such things. 308 is only marginal for todays uber deer, and you should realy be using a 300 Win Mag. :jerkit:
 
personally i would want a little more 'oomph' than a '06 can deliver in alaska after grizz, for that scenario a .375 H&H does make more sense, a bud of mine lives in palmer alaska and he has told me many times the .375 H&H is one of the most popular calibres in that area.

not that a '06 wouldnt work, but i would just want something with a little larger margin of error, those bears are big up there FWIW.
 
I just wonder why the moose and grizzlies in the lower 48 are at lethal risk from a 30-06, but grizzlies and moose in the upper 1 are immune? :D

I only add this a tongue-in-cheek because so many said certain calibers are ok for the lower 48 but you need more for....

Sifu makes a good point on the wiggle room factor.
 
I also live in Alaska, and many natives have killed grizzly with one shot from a .22

accuracy is key obviously

most up here use a .338, but 30-06 will do the job with the premium bullets.

bullet technology today has made leaps and bounds from 20 years ago
 
all hell...her in NC where a shot out to 150 yards is consitered LONG. (we have mostly woody area and not long distance) my .30-.30 marlin does it all for me.

Also - it would depend on what animals your terrain has. Nothing in NC is large enough to require more than the .30-30.
I dont even like a scope because the brush isnt very open and iron sights gives me an open sight radius as I plan my shot.

BUT I do have a good old .30-06 in the cabinet just incase:D :thumbup:
 
m1marty said:
sub-1/8th moa hunting rig?
*raises eyebrow*
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You're not really disputing this are you? ;) ;) ;)

Hell, that ain't nothin'. My Anschutz 54.18MS will shoot
2 mm groups all day long at 300 meters. I have to shoot it
at targets in meters instead of yards because it was made
in Germany. I have to use RWS ammo for the same reason.

I forgot to mention that I have a Bushnell scope on it, but
that's OK 'cause Germany and Japan were allies in WWII.

By the way, I have taken elk, moose and brown bear with
this rifle. It's easy. You just put that little .22 bullet in an
eye or up the nose right into the brain. They drop like a
sack of beans.

Since we're all gentlemen here, I expect that everyone
will believe me. :D
 
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