FBI sting

This is ridiculous, show me one US corporation that operates in Russia that doesn't pay bribes. I knew one exec who worked there for an auto company whose job it was to bribe the people that needed to be bribed.
 
cmdionne said:
This is ridiculous, show me one US corporation that operates in Russia that doesn't pay bribes. I knew one exec who worked there for an auto company whose job it was to bribe the people that needed to be bribed.
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The difference is the Govt. now owns most of the auto industry and the present administration has vowed to keep firearms out of it's citizens hands :mad:
 
HaroldB said:
and the present administration has vowed to keep firearms out of it's citizens hands
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That comment is untrue and an attempt to mislead people.

Back on topic. I think it is perverse that out government has adopted the "do as i say, not as i do" philosophy. I also wonder how this was done. I would think that conducting this kind of sting at a trade show, would circumvent the S&W legal department which would be more likely to catch international law limitations. Trying to put on the other mans shoe, if i happened to be president at a show, i am focused on sales, and not legal matters. Was this a verbal yes? or did they have contractual documents ready and signed by both parties? and is the FBI (government) using this as a spring board for an adgenda. it does seem that the new trend will be going at the manufacturers, and not the 2nd ammendment right itself.
 
ron_m80 said:
That comment is untrue and an attempt to mislead people.

Back on topic. I think it is perverse that out government has adopted the "do as i say, not as i do" philosophy. I also wonder how this was done. I would think that conducting this kind of sting at a trade show, would circumvent the S&W legal department which would be more likely to catch international law limitations. Trying to put on the other mans shoe, if i happened to be president at a show, i am focused on sales, and not legal matters. Was this a verbal yes? or did they have contractual documents ready and signed by both parties? and is the FBI (government) using this as a spring board for an adgenda. it does seem that the new trend will be going at the manufacturers, and not the 2nd ammendment right itself.
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It is my understanding that the sting didn't occur at the show just the arrest.
 
HaroldB said:
This is your opinion, not based on the facts.
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Well this isn't the venue for it, but case in point, you failed to bring any facts to the table as well, and that was my point entirely.
 
HaroldB said:
The difference is the Govt. now owns most of the auto industry and the present administration has vowed to keep firearms out of it's citizens hands :mad:
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This guy worked for the one domestic auto manufacturer that is currently NOT owned by the US government. Not to mention this was 5-10 years ago.
 
"This is one case where what happens in Vegas didn't stay in Vegas," Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer said at a news conference.

Seriously? An assistant attorney general actually said this? :rolleyes::barf:
 
din said:
so is what you presented. keep your politics in appropriate subforum.
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I didn't start this thread, the RAT moderator did. The FBI goes where AG Eric Holder tells them. He leans where the administration leans - FACTS, not politics.

Cars and firearms are both legal items sold in the USA. Cars kill far more people than firearms. The FBI didn't spend all this time catching any of the illegal car dealers did they?

This IS one the reasons what happened in Vegas, happened during SHOT for a reason.
 
HaroldB said:
I didn't start this thread, the RAT moderator did. The FBI goes where AG Eric Holder tells them. He leans where the administration leans - FACTS, not politics.

Cars and firearms are both legal items sold in the USA. Cars kill far more people than firearms. The FBI didn't spend all this time catching any of the illegal car dealers did they?

This IS one the reasons what happened in Vegas, happened during SHOT for a reason.
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so basically what you're saying is that you're too cheap to go post in political.
 
Cars kill far more people than firearms. This is true but also Doctors kill more people than cars or guns both do. And it looks like the same Government that not only owns (illegally per The Bill of Rights) Big banks/car manuf., SSA and the welfare system now wants to take over my health. Sure they have done a GREAT job on the other stuff.
 
I was told the sting occurred right before the show but I could be wrong. It is argueable that the companies involved didn't actually commit a crime since there really was no foreign government official involved. However the intent to commit a crime is still there under the law just like any sting operation where cops do the same thing on prostituiton stings, drug stings, etc, etc. We can not like the amount of resources they spent on busting the companies involved but because it is frequently done cannot be used to excuse a company violating a law on the books. They broke the law period. The courts now have to sort it all out. I just thought it was an interesting thing that happened and I wish Smith and others didn't feel like they had to bribe their way into a contract. It makes the rest of us that are operating an honest business wonder what drives an old U.S. company to do business like that. Maybe it is an effect of the hard economic times or not ...I don't know. The FBI and other Federal agencies as a whole do a pretty good job I believe. Most of us don't see a lot of what they do to try to keep us safe.
 
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byrd687 said:
I'm a little suprised by the reaction here.

A bribe is a bribe.

Any executive in a sizable company worth their salt has been through foreign corrupt practices act training. It's a mandatory training course for me and the consequences for inappropriate actions are severe.

It's not about free markets or being able to charge whatever a company wants. There's a HUGE difference.

swap "Smith and Wesson" with another company and replace the fact its about "guns" with "bribing a foreign official to open a plant to replace American workers in a low cost country" and people would be HOWLING, regardless how small the bribe or inconsequential the contract.

I say if they are guilty, punish them, regardless of the fact they manufacture things we like to play with or not.

They'll get their day in court, and I'm sure we don't know all the story, but to take an open stand that bribery is an acceptable way to do business on its face is appalling.

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:thumbup: This is just too rich, boy oh boy how the Dems will run with this one, Thanks Smith and Wesson, you are the best... :mad: OTOH if this would have been any other type of business betcha we wouldnt have heard a word, I STILL love this country, for now.
 
"bribery" seems american and normal enough for me. i get A F'd every day by businesses (much less than most people though) its american business 1o1. A F your customers for everything they have : D my neiborhood locks me out with a gate that is almost irrelevant to security and then charge me money to get inside... im a very bad consumer. and proud of that
 
Some things never change. Let this not turn to a discussion on politics. Back to the topic. This is new territory for the FBI which is interesting. Does anybody know more details about this?
 
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